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    Quote Originally Posted by dumbanddumber View Post
    Iran and Israel dont like each other, but then again this could be said for the US and USSR, the US and China etc etc.

    I dont think Iran will attach even if they hate them that would be suicide.

    Anyway i dont really hear the heirachy of Iran calling for Israels destruction these days.
    Iran is already attacking Israel, its just they do it through their proxies, Hamas, Hezbollah etc. Thats why the US and Israel freak out about Iran having nukes, because of the way Iran IS engaged in a fight against Israel.

    The folks in the know would know that if Iran gets a nuke there is a very big chance it will be delivered by Iranian agents through one of these proxy groups currently engaged in activities against Israel - thus allowing Iran to deny any invovlement citing 'show us proof'.

    If Iran was a peaceful country then it wouldnt have any problems from the US, but it isnt. Pretending the US is somehow being a bully for selfish reasons and ignoring the realities and risks is not going to protect anyone. I know the real world is too complex and scary so lets blame the 'adults' and go back to playing with lego blocks

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    Quote Originally Posted by axialturban View Post
    Iran is already attacking Israel, its just they do it through their proxies, Hamas, Hezbollah etc. Thats why the US and Israel freak out about Iran having nukes, because of the way Iran IS engaged in a fight against Israel.

    The folks in the know would know that if Iran gets a nuke there is a very big chance it will be delivered by Iranian agents through one of these proxy groups currently engaged in activities against Israel - thus allowing Iran to deny any invovlement citing 'show us proof'.

    If Iran was a peaceful country then it wouldnt have any problems from the US, but it isnt. Pretending the US is somehow being a bully for selfish reasons and ignoring the realities and risks is not going to protect anyone. I know the real world is too complex and scary so lets blame the 'adults' and go back to playing with lego blocks
    ....and because Iraq was such a threat to the US it had to be invaded.
    Boy grow up, the US turns out to become the bad boy of modern times...

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    Quote Originally Posted by m2catter View Post
    ....and because Iraq was such a threat to the US it had to be invaded.
    Boy grow up, the US turns out to become the bad boy of modern times...
    Iraq now!? Saddam has his chance to give himself up. Iraq was about a few things... basically long term stability in a region that was actively pursuing nuclear technology... look at Syria and Iran both trying to start nuclear programs - they are neighbours of Iraq. Short term pain for long term gain is a hard concept for the lazy and soft west to understand I guess. Its so easy for people to sit and take a retrospective ignorance and yell at the hard work being down work towards the least worse scenario - thats all anyone can do when faced with lunacy that is militant islam. Do you think shutting your eyes and ignoring nutcase dictators is the best idea considering the fervour throughout the MidEast post-911, perhaps you forget all the cheering from the Muslims in various countries about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by axialturban View Post
    Iraq now!? Saddam has his chance to give himself up. Iraq was about a few things... basically long term stability in a region that was actively pursuing nuclear technology... look at Syria and Iran both trying to start nuclear programs - they are neighbours of Iraq. Short term pain for long term gain is a hard concept for the lazy and soft west to understand I guess. Its so easy for people to sit and take a retrospective ignorance and yell at the hard work being down work towards the least worse scenario - thats all anyone can do when faced with lunacy that is militant islam. Do you think shutting your eyes and ignoring nutcase dictators is the best idea considering the fervour throughout the MidEast post-911, perhaps you forget all the cheering from the Muslims in various countries about it.
    What a whole lotta political jargon.

    Where do you get your news from champ is it FOX i wonder.

    Saddam Hussien who by the way was a child of the US yes thats right they put him in power just like Gadafi and most other dictators around the world.

    Was invaded under fasle pretenses that he had weapons of mass detruction in the way of chemical, or so the news told us.

    The real reason was because he was already in the process of switching from US dollars to Euros when buying and selling Iraqi oil.

    As soon as the US took control they siezed the oil and started trading in $US dollars again.

    You listen to a lot of crap dude.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dumbanddumber View Post
    Was invaded under fasle pretenses that he had weapons of mass detruction in the way of chemical, or so the news told us.
    Do you realize that when Hussein was interrogated by the FBI he freely admitted bragging that he possessed WMD's with the intention of scaring the Iranians into thinking twice about invading Iraq.

    In 2004, even after being captured by U.S. forces, Saddam Hussein told an FBI interrogator he believed Iran was a greater threat to Iraq than the United States, according to newly released FBI documents.

    The FBI interviews took place while Hussein, then identified by the FBI as "High Value Detainee 1" was held captive by U.S. military forces at Baghdad International Airport between February and June of 2004.

    Hussein regarded the Iranian threat as so serious that it was the major factor in his decision not to allow United Nations weapons inspectors to return, he said. Citing their shared border and his belief Iran would intend to annex southern Iraq, Hussein said he was more concerned about Iran discovering Iraq's weaknesses than repercussions from the United States and the international community. He believed that the inspectors would have directly identified to the Iranians where to inflict maximum damage to Iraq.

    Approximately 100 pages of declassified interview summaries, previously classified as secret, were obtained by the National Security Archive at the George Washington University through a Freedom of Information Act request.

    The FBI declined CNN's request to interview special agent George L. Piro, the agent who interviewed Hussein. FBI spokesman Paul Bresson declined to comment on the declassified documents. "As a general rule, the FBI does not discuss FOIA'd documents. We let the information stand on its own," Bresson told CNN.

    Piro, an FBI agent fluent in Arabic, conducted the interviews along with another agent whose name has been redacted from the documents. Although Hussein had been a prisoner for months, at one point during an interview he said, "I am not the ex-president of Iraq. I am still the president of Iraq."

    Hussein also described al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden as a "zealot" and said he had never met or seen him. He also said the United States used the September 11 attacks as justification to attack Iraq, and that the United States had "lost sight of the cause." Despite Piro citing evidence of Iraq's contacts with al Qaeda, Hussein said, "The Iraqi government did not cooperate with bin Laden" and that the two "did not have the same belief or vision."

    The former regime's alleged weapons of mass destruction and alleged ties to al Qaeda were the Bush administration's primary justifications for invading Iraq in March of 2003.

    http://articles.cnn.com/2009-07-02/w...rs?_s=PM:WORLD

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    Quote Originally Posted by axialturban View Post
    Iraq now!? Saddam has his chance to give himself up. Iraq was about a few things... basically long term stability in a region that was actively pursuing nuclear technology... look at Syria and Iran both trying to start nuclear programs - they are neighbours of Iraq. Short term pain for long term gain is a hard concept for the lazy and soft west to understand I guess. Its so easy for people to sit and take a retrospective ignorance and yell at the hard work being down work towards the least worse scenario - thats all anyone can do when faced with lunacy that is militant islam. Do you think shutting your eyes and ignoring nutcase dictators is the best idea considering the fervour throughout the MidEast post-911, perhaps you forget all the cheering from the Muslims in various countries about it.
    so why did 9/11 happen?
    Is it all the muslims mistake, all their fault? Come on, helping Israel for half a century will create more enemies then we can handle.
    Bring a fair solution to the middle east, stop invading other countries, and we might have a chance!
    And who dropped the two a-bombs on others?
    Why should anyone trust your nation? You cannot ask others to disclaim nuclear power and respective weapons if the US won't abandom those.

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    Quote Originally Posted by m2catter View Post
    so why did 9/11 happen?
    Is it all the muslims mistake, all their fault? Come on, helping Israel for half a century will create more enemies then we can handle.
    Did that justify the attacks?

    Quote Originally Posted by m2catter View Post
    Bring a fair solution to the middle east, stop invading other countries, and we might have a chance!
    We have. The Camp David Accords are one example of Israel and Egypt negotiating peace.

    Quote Originally Posted by m2catter View Post
    And who dropped the two a-bombs on others?
    We did and for good reason.

    Quote Originally Posted by m2catter View Post
    Why should anyone trust your nation? You cannot ask others to disclaim nuclear power and respective weapons if the US won't abandom those.
    We are a nation that supports terrorists. Iran is.

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    If you think you are living under a democratic and free government think again.

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    Naomi Klien...LOVED her book. Too bad it took a Canuck to identify the seedy under-belly of American Capitalism...

    Americans...do you enjoy being the international bullies?
    Does it give you satisfaction to setup dictators...arm them to the teeth...then blow them to kingdom come when they act out of turn?

    PSST...hey kids...the harder you try to control the entire world...the more its gonna slip through your fingers...

    So the hawks wanna protect Israel...why?
    I mean...what has Israel done for you that you feel you need to go to war for them?
    What is it?
    Trade? Do you realize the US trade deficit with Israel was about 11 BILLION in 2009?
    Religion? Boy I hope not...
    So what is it?

    Iran is saber-rattling.
    Just like North Korea was.
    Neither have any intentions of USING nukes...they just feel the need to call international attention to themselves.

    Here's a thought...
    Why not go to ISRAEL with you war-machine and lay down the law.

    - You will HALT ALL settlement building.
    - You will take down this wall.
    - You will leave the Palestinians alone...and Palestinians, the first one who crosses the line gets 2 between the eyes.
    - You will allow free return.
    - You will live in peace...play nice with the other Semites...or we will take over your country and never let you control it again.

    There...with Israel under control...problem solved.
    And the first yahoo who squawks about this...can also justify Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam, and all the Black Ops crap your military and CIA have perpetrated over the years.
    Pesky Wabbit!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buzz62 View Post
    Naomi Klien...LOVED her book. Too bad it took a Canuck to identify the seedy under-belly of American Capitalism...

    Americans...do you enjoy being the international bullies?
    Does it give you satisfaction to setup dictators...arm them to the teeth...then blow them to kingdom come when they act out of turn?

    PSST...hey kids...the harder you try to control the entire world...the more its gonna slip through your fingers...

    So the hawks wanna protect Israel...why?
    I mean...what has Israel done for you that you feel you need to go to war for them?
    What is it?
    Trade? Do you realize the US trade deficit with Israel was about 11 BILLION in 2009?
    Religion? Boy I hope not...
    So what is it?

    Iran is saber-rattling.
    Just like North Korea was.
    Neither have any intentions of USING nukes...they just feel the need to call international attention to themselves.

    Here's a thought...
    Why not go to ISRAEL with you war-machine and lay down the law.

    - You will HALT ALL settlement building.
    - You will take down this wall.
    - You will leave the Palestinians alone...and Palestinians, the first one who crosses the line gets 2 between the eyes.
    - You will allow free return.
    - You will live in peace...play nice with the other Semites...or we will take over your country and never let you control it again.

    There...with Israel under control...problem solved.
    And the first yahoo who squawks about this...can also justify Iraq, Afghanistan, Vietnam, and all the Black Ops crap your military and CIA have perpetrated over the years.
    I think America should return to North America and satisfy itself by dominating the absolute fuct out little Canada. Enslave those cretins.

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