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Old 03-15-2008, 08:13 PM
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Rudd I think has the iron to stand up to the critics and the social conscience to do what the RIGHT thing is in the face of those critics. The right thing, not the easy one. We have a lot of stuff to undo from the previous government. I think it's going to take one tough cookie to manage it. I think he's the right man for the job - I really do.
I agree 100%.

At least - I hope he's the right man for the job. I'm not really entirely convinced just yet - but he has certainly looked good up to now, and I am prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt.

Also, given that it is only a matter of time before Turnbull becomes Leader of the Opposition - I actually feel the same way about him too. The idea of having two intelligent, capable and (it appears) relatively honourable men leading our major parties is such a novelty after the crap of the last 11 years. I hope I am not being too overly optimistic.

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Yeah we were all hoping that Turnbull would get the gig.

Although the MIL did point out that if he did, it would be harder for `us'. Lol.

Lately, though, I've been disappointed in him. He's been engaging far more in the name-calling, whining and mud-slinging about Rudd and the current govt than he used to, and that just smacks of Howard's recent tactics to me. No answering of any questions, just name-calling and deflecting and finger-pointing. Childish.
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Oh same, better than Howard. Read 'High and Dry' too, its like a cross between 'The Weathmakers' and the 'Latham Diaries', only its an inside look at the liberals and why our response to global warming has been the sucks. I'll give you a quote from the book, its part of the liberal's election promises to the 1990 election: "The Liberal Party commits to reducing greenhouse gas emissions by 20 per cent by the year 2000". Then Howard comes in..../sigh.

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So far I'm impressed with Kevin Rudd. He seems to be doing (or at least trying to do) what he said he was going to do prior to the election. While he is a bit geeky and awkward to watch sometimes he is doing a fine job as Prime Minister.
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Apologising formaly to the aboriginals wasn't a mistake. His only major mistake up to date was signing the kyoto accord. Other than that he's doing a fine job.
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I have to disagree there, Chief. I don't believe we should have said sorry to the Aboriginals at all.

The Kyoto thing, well I must say I don't know everything about that, so I can't really have an opinion on it until I understand a little more about it.


Besides that, I am very happy with Rudd. I think Australia has a much brighter future than under a conservative like Howard.
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I have to disagree there, Chief. I don't believe we should have said sorry to the Aboriginals at all.
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Old 04-27-2008, 02:32 AM
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For a few reasons.

1. I don't believe our Government should have said sorry for something a previous Government was responsible for.

2. This has always been about money. The Aboriginals could have been gracious and accepted the apology, and moved on, but instead dozens of them immediatley put their hands out and demanded compensation. The Government was stupid in not believing this would happen, when it was obvious it would.

3. I believe many of the children were removed from their homes because they were eithor being abused, or the parents could not care for them. Not all were removed for those reasons, but some were, and those people would not be here right now if the Government hadn't stepped in and taken control.

4. We have no idea which Aboriginals are genuine 'Stolen Generation' victims. Every Aboriginal is claiming to have been a victim, when it is possible they were not. Because we do not know for sure who is genuine and who isn't, no compensation should be forthcoming.


My opinion is simply that there is a time to move on, and forgive and forget. I think this is that time. Yes, they may have been treated poorly in the past, but move on with life, and stop dwelling in the past.
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I think it was necessary to humor them. They've been complaining for a LONG time by having that small one day ceremony and 2 minute speech we've succesfully given them alot less to (*)(*)(*)(*)(*) about.
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I think it was necessary to humor them. They've been complaining for a LONG time by having that small one day ceremony and 2 minute speech we've succesfully given them alot less to (*)(*)(*)(*)(*) about.
Yes, but now they are currently forming some sort of class action and will likely sue the Government for millions in compensation.
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