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    Quote Originally Posted by dumbanddumber View Post
    Climategate' professor Phil Jones awarded £13 million in research grants

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/cop...ch-grants.html

    I'm always scared of giving away money fro peanuts in return, i think most of us are.
    Prof Jones has stood aside as head of the CRU while an independent inquiry investigates thousands of emails and other documents stolen from the university's computer server and published on the internet.
    Climate change sceptics point to an email written by one scientist in November 1999 as evidence of manipulation of the figures to mask falling global temperatures.
    from your link, he seems pretty dishonest and money hungry ... give us a break
    When you want to fight fire with fire, remember that the professionals use water.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dumbanddumber View Post

    Bank of America Pledges $50 Billion to Combat Climate Change

    http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-...11-707739.html

    Hallelujah i would also want to be a climate scientist.
    Hey Dom

    Can you please answer this question for me.

    Why would a bank give $50 billion dolars to climate funds?
    There has never been a more serious assault on our standard of living than the carbon tax. dumbanddumber

    "The cost, paid by big polluters, will be passed through to the prices of the goods you buy." Julia Gillard

    "Australian households will ultimately bear the full cost of the carbon price." Ross Garnaut

    "A carbon tax does not guarantee emissions reductions" Former Labor Climate Change Minister Penny Wong

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    Joanne Nova

    A science presenter, writer, speaker & former TV host; author of The Skeptic's Handbook (over 200,000 copies distributed & available in 15 languages).


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    Billions in the Name of “Climate”

    “Thousands of scientists have been funded to find a connection between human carbon emissions and the climate. Hardly any have been funded to find the opposite. Throw 30 billion dollars at one question and how could bright, dedicated people not find 800 pages worth of connections, links, predictions, projections and scenarios? (What’s amazing is what they haven’t found: empirical evidence.)”
    By setting up trading networks, tax concessions, and international bureaucracies before the evidence was in, have we ensured that our understanding of the role of carbon in climate science would be sped up, but that our knowledge of every other aspect of climate science would be slowed down to an equal and opposite extent?

    “Monopolistic funding creates a ratchet effect where pro-AGW findings are reported and repeated, while anti-AGW results lie unstudied and ignored.
    Monopolistic funding creates a ratchet effect where even the most insignificant pro-AGW findings are reported, repeated, trumpeted and asserted, while any anti-AGW results lie unstudied, ignored and delayed. Auditing AGW research is so underfunded that for the most part it is left to unpaid bloggers who collect donations from concerned citizens online. These auditors, often retired scientists, are providing a valuable free service to society, and yet, in return they are attacked, abused, and insulted.

    The truth will come out in the end, but how much damage will accrue while we wait for volunteers to audit the claims of the financially well-fed?

    The stealthy mass entry of bankers and traders into the background of the scientific “debate” poses grave threats to the scientific process. The promise of “trillions of dollars” on commodity markets—with all of that potential money hinging on finding that human emissions of carbon dioxide have a significant role in the climate—surely acts like blanket of mud over open dispassionate analysis.

    Read the whole thing here
    http://joannenova.com.au/2009/07/mas...nding-exposed/

    Last edited by dumbanddumber; Jul 09 2012 at 04:03 AM.
    There has never been a more serious assault on our standard of living than the carbon tax. dumbanddumber

    "The cost, paid by big polluters, will be passed through to the prices of the goods you buy." Julia Gillard

    "Australian households will ultimately bear the full cost of the carbon price." Ross Garnaut

    "A carbon tax does not guarantee emissions reductions" Former Labor Climate Change Minister Penny Wong

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    Quote Originally Posted by dumbanddumber View Post
    Hey Dom

    Can you please answer this question for me.

    Why would a bank give $50 billion dolars to climate funds?

    Maybe they want to ensure that if it is right, then they are in on it. Maybe they think it is the right thing to do. We seem to get caught up with numbers. 50 billion isn't a lot in the big picture.
    When you want to fight fire with fire, remember that the professionals use water.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dumbanddumber View Post
    Joanne Nova

    A science presenter, writer, speaker & former TV host; author of The Skeptic's Handbook (over 200,000 copies distributed & available in 15 languages).


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    I love these links, you guys don't even try to make it hard for me.

    The Science and Public Policy Institute has ties to the American Legislative Exchange Council.
    ALEC is a corporate bill mill. It is not just a lobby or a front group; it is much more powerful than that. Through ALEC, corporations hand state legislators their wishlists to benefit their bottom line. Corporations fund almost all of ALEC's operations. They pay for a seat on ALEC task forces where corporate lobbyists and special interest reps vote with elected officials to approve “model” bills
    Now reading this link about the extremely complex network of connections, most financed by Exxon. Connections to groups like ..
    Frontiers of Freedom http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php...edom_Institute
    Center for the Study of Carbon Dioxide and Global Change ... Exxon funded http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php..._Global_Change

    Center for Science and Public Policy
    another Exxon sponsored group

    Now most of these groups have one thing in common, they all pay a Robert Ferguson, aa American Republican Advisor.

    Now does this link sound credible?
    When you want to fight fire with fire, remember that the professionals use water.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DominorVobis View Post
    from your link, he seems pretty dishonest and money hungry ... give us a break
    You must have thousands of pairs of blinkers, a pair for every conveivable occasion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aussiefree2ride View Post
    You must have thousands of pairs of blinkers, a pair for every conveivable occasion.
    No none, I'm not a denialist, I have my eyes OPEN
    When you want to fight fire with fire, remember that the professionals use water.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DominorVobis View Post
    Maybe they want to ensure that if it is right, then they are in on it. Maybe they think it is the right thing to do. We seem to get caught up with numbers. 50 billion isn't a lot in the big picture.
    You live in a small garden my friend.
    There has never been a more serious assault on our standard of living than the carbon tax. dumbanddumber

    "The cost, paid by big polluters, will be passed through to the prices of the goods you buy." Julia Gillard

    "Australian households will ultimately bear the full cost of the carbon price." Ross Garnaut

    "A carbon tax does not guarantee emissions reductions" Former Labor Climate Change Minister Penny Wong

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    Quote Originally Posted by dumbanddumber View Post
    You live in a small garden my friend.
    No I actually live very much out in the real world my good friend.
    When you want to fight fire with fire, remember that the professionals use water.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DominorVobis View Post
    No I actually live very much out in the real world my good friend.
    Good, we can all see how real it is.
    There has never been a more serious assault on our standard of living than the carbon tax. dumbanddumber

    "The cost, paid by big polluters, will be passed through to the prices of the goods you buy." Julia Gillard

    "Australian households will ultimately bear the full cost of the carbon price." Ross Garnaut

    "A carbon tax does not guarantee emissions reductions" Former Labor Climate Change Minister Penny Wong

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