Thread: Cain's 9-9-9 plan

Originally Posted by Landru Guide Us

I stopped right there due to the vapid Tea Bagger talking point. "Producers". I love that meme.

Amusing, you persist in referring to the Tea Party with a term from porn movies, and stumble on the use of the accurate term "producers". You probably didn't read far enough to understand the context.

Who is more dangerous, a kid afraid of the dark, or an adult afraid of the light? Back under your rock, the sun is coming up....

Originally Posted by bucknaked

can't Believe Nobody Is Talking About This??
　

This Sounds Pretty Much Like Another Tax Sham, Taking The Eye Off Of The Corporate Owned Government That Is Destroying This Nation.
　
　
9% On Corporate Profits?? Why Would The Worlds Largest Corporations Want To Start Paying Pay Taxes? The Largest Most Preferentially Treated Already Have The Best Government Corporate Money Can Buy That Provides Them With The Most Creative Built In Loopholes, Tax Breaks And Tax Credits, As Well As The Off Shore Banking System That Allows Them To Pay 0% On The Taxes On The Profits They Claim (wink, Wink ), While They Pocket The Taxes Their Consumers Pay For Them But Never Seem To Receive Any Benefit From, And While Scamming Everybody In The Process Some Of Them Even Get More Money Back From Their Government Even After They Pay Nothing. How Can You Improve On The Current Corporate Welfare System That Exists For The Most Powerful Corporate Entities On The Planet?? Honestly, How???
　
　
　
9% On Personal Income. Now This Sounds Like That Tithing He Was Referring Too, And It Is Based On “income”, But That Is A Tricky Word Since Income Is Based On A Job/salary/wages, Etc... Does This Mean That The Uber Rich Who Do Not Have A “job” Per Say, Will Have To Start Paying An Income Tax Based On 100% Of Their Total Accumulated Wealth Like The Poor/working Class Will Be Forced Too? I Don’t Think This Simple Plan Is Intellectually As Honest As It Appears. In Fact It Sounds Like Another Political Scam, That Will Never Be Implemented In The First Place.
　
9% National Sales Tax? So Is That On Top Of The 8.5% Or More State Sales Tax Already In Place That Most States Impose? So Every Time You Buy Something You Will Still Pay The 35% Corporate Tax Even Though It Doesn’t Exist Any More, And You Will Give The Feds Another 9% Of Your Income To The Feds For Every Dollar You Spend. Now This May Sound Suspicious At This Point But Isn’t That Over 50% Taxation On Every Dollar You Spend??? Am I Missing Something Here, And If Not Where Is The Benefit To The Average American Or The Average American Household For That Matter, Of This Obviously Ludicrous Idea??

Oh Wait, They Are Saying That The Average American Will Only Feel The Crunch Of An Additional 1% With This New Tax, Since They Will Be Eliminating The Employee Federal Tax. So The 8% Or So You Pay For Social Security, And Medi-whatever, With The Assumption You Will Get Some Of That Back Sometime In The Future, Will No Longer Be Taken From Your Paycheck, But It Will Be Replaced By A New Tax, That Doesn’t Even Make The Organized Criminal Promise With Their Fingers Crossed Behind Their Backs That At A Later Date You Will Get Some Of That Investment Back.

Now They Are Just Going To Take It From You. So Much For Making Ss Privatized, Or Allowing You To Have More Of Your Money The Government Shouldn’t Be Taking In The First Place Nonsense The Republican Party Keeps Talking About.
　
Well How Am I Doing So Far?
　
The Biggest Obstacle I See Standing In The Way Of This, What Appears To Be Another Shallow Campaign Promise At A Dishonest Attempt For Tax Reform, Is The Rich/elites. The Current Tax System Is A Product Invented By, Designed For, And By The Rich/elites. Is This Just A Ploy To Coax ‘we The People’ Into Believing That We Can Actually Make A Change, If We Just Stick Together, Put Out Faith In One Of The Same Political Parties That Caused Most Of Our Problems, And Allow Another Corporate Owned Politician To Assume The Most Powerful Position On The Planet?
　
　
Hmmm, Where Have I Heard That Before?

Fyi..............

Unfortunately Herman doesn't understand that as much as we Americans hate being taxed it is the reason why we are the most advanced nation in the world. The protections (not just military) are designed to keep us safe to live our lives with reletively little fear keeping our minds open to exploration and advancement. Our government is failing us only because it has become to afraid to tell us the truth in fear of losing their jobs.

Having the ability to hold every dollar you make is useless if the dollar itself is worthless.

Originally Posted by Not Amused

Amusing, you persist in referring to the Tea Party with a term from porn movies, and stumble on the use of the accurate term "producers". You probably didn't read far enough to understand the context.

Who is more dangerous, a kid afraid of the dark, or an adult afraid of the light? Back under your rock, the sun is coming up....

The most dangerous person is an insecure ignoramus, and they way you tell that is when they use terms like "producer" to avoid discussing real issues about tax policy.

Tea Baggers simply cannot address issue. All they can do is use talking points.

vote for Ron Paul. He has the best Economic plan of all the candidates.

Originally Posted by Not Amused

They want to tax the producers, to be sure to capture the few non-producing rich,

Producers.....

Producers work for a living and make things.

I am highly doubtful that the gamblers in stock and commodity markets produce much more than social anxiety and periodic economic calamity.

As such, taxing the producers of social anxiety and economic calamity at high levels to discourage the production of these commodities does not seem like a bad idea to me. Since social anxiety and economic calamity are commodities with limited consumer demand their production should be discouraged, much like pollution and murder are discouraged by the imposition of high penalties.

"You can still do it, but it will cost you."

Originally Posted by stonehorse

Left leaning media???????????????

What left leaning media? Do you mean the corporate press? Do you mean the corporate owned TV networks?

Maybe you mean the left wing media that covers labor from the viewpoint of management? Or the left wing media that refused to cover W's AWOL but called Clinton a draft dodger? Or the media that published Whitehouse handouts as news and refused to take a critical look at our run up to war in Iraq?

That left leaning media?

Originally Posted by Not Amused

Boy, you must be way left of center. Have you picked up a paper (LA Times, Mercury News, etc), listened to a radio, or watched local TV in CA?

Exactly. Case in point: all the stories about Enron when Bush was president.....but hardly anything on the front pages about Fast & Furious or Solyndra. The mainstream liberal press is bending over backwards.....AGAIN.....to protect Obama from his scandals, by not reporting on them.

Where's the investigative reporting on THIS president?

Originally Posted by BuckNaked

Can't believe nobody is talking about this??
　
　
　
This sounds pretty much like another tax sham, taking the eye off of the corporate owned government that is destroying this nation.
　
　
9% on corporate profits?? Why would the worlds largest corporations want to start paying pay taxes? The largest most preferentially treated already have the best government corporate money can buy that provides them with the most creative built in loopholes, tax breaks and tax credits, as well as the off shore banking system that allows them to pay 0% on the taxes on the profits they claim (wink, wink ), while they pocket the taxes their consumers pay for them but never seem to receive any benefit from, and while scamming everybody in the process some of them even get more money back from their government even after they pay nothing. How can you improve on the current CORPORATE WELFARE SYSTEM THAT EXISTS FOR THE MOST POWERFUL CORPORATE ENTITIES ON THE PLANET?? Honestly, HOW???
　
　
　
9% on personal income. Now this sounds like that tithing he was referring too, and it is based on “income”, but that is a tricky word since income is based on a job/salary/wages, etc... Does this mean that the uber rich who do not have a “job” per say, will have to start paying an income tax based on 100% of their total accumulated wealth like the poor/working class will be forced too? I don’t think this simple plan is intellectually as honest as it appears. In fact it sounds like another political scam, that will never be implemented in the first place.
　
9% national sales tax? So is that on top of the 8.5% or more state sales tax already in place that most states impose? So every time you buy something you will still pay the 35% corporate tax even though it doesn’t exist any more, and you will give the feds another 9% of your income to the feds for every dollar you spend. Now this may sound suspicious at this point but isn’t that over 50% taxation on every dollar you spend??? Am I missing something here, and if not where is the benefit to the average American or the average American household for that matter, of this obviously ludicrous idea?? Oh wait, they are saying that the average American will only feel the crunch of an additional 1% with this new tax, since they will be eliminating the employee federal tax. So the 8% or so you pay for Social Security, and medi-whatever, with the assumption you will get some of that back sometime in the future, will no longer be taken from your paycheck, but it will be replaced by a new tax, that doesn’t even make the organized criminal promise with their fingers crossed behind their backs that at a later date you will get some of that investment back. Now they are just going to take it from you. So much for making SS privatized, or allowing you to have more of your money the government shouldn’t be taking in the first place nonsense the republican party keeps talking about.
　
Well how am I doing so far?
　
The biggest obstacle I see standing in the way of this, what appears to be another shallow campaign promise at a dishonest attempt for tax reform, is the rich/elites. The current tax system is a product invented by, designed for, and by the rich/elites. Is this just a ploy to coax ‘we the people’ into believing that we can actually make a change, if we just stick together, put out faith in one of the same political parties that caused most of our problems, and allow another corporate owned politician to assume the most powerful position on the planet?
　
　
Hmmm, where have I heard that before?

It sounds great to only pay 9%, WHICH WE COULD AFFORD IF THE RICH PAID 90%! But 9-9-9 would only work if we had no social programs, which would be ridiculous.

It sounds great to only pay 9%, WHICH WE COULD AFFORD IF THE RICH PAID 90%! But 9-9-9 would only work if we had no social programs, which would be ridiculous.

You mean if the rich hadn't fleeced the country out of everything over the last 4-5 decades and jobs were not outsourced and capitalism was still alive and well, and pay/cost of living was comparable to what people actually earn and take home at every level, it might be a reasonable idea??

Originally Posted by BuckNaked

You mean if the rich hadn't fleeced the country out of everything over the last 4-5 decades and jobs were not outsourced and capitalism was still alive and well, and pay/cost of living was comparable to what people actually earn and take home at every level, it might be a reasonable idea??

Pretty much! Their rich friends "create jobs" but the jobs they're creating aren't in America!