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Thread: Do you have the right to say that a “rich” person isn’t paying enough taxes?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Your question does not make sense grammatically or contextually.
    What was grammatically wrong in that question?
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    Ludwik Kowalski, the author of a FREE ON_LINE book,

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    Quote Originally Posted by drj90210 View Post
    I find it infuriating when people who aren’t “rich” feel that they have justification to say that “rich people get paid too much and aren’t paying enough in taxes.” Do such people personally know every “rich” person on the planet on an intimate basis? Do they know each hardship and expenditure that each and every “rich” person faces? Of course not. Yet, it is commonplace to hear people exclaim that the “rich aren’t paying their fair share.” That’s BS of course, since the wealthy pay a disproportionately larger percentage of the tax burden.

    It would akin to a White person growing up in the 1980s saying that, “Black people growing up in the 1950s Deep South had it really easy”. How is it fair to make such a generalized statement on such a broad cross-section of the population, especially when you are not a member of this cross-section of the population and have no first-hand experience to back up your assertion?
    We know they're still rich, and we know that if they should pay more taxes, we can't expect them to advocate that plan for us. Right?
    Be free.

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    How can anyone have any problem with economic forms of discrimination under any form of Capitalism, but not Socialism?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unifier View Post
    People have the right to say whatever they want. But that doesn't mean it's true.
    Legal right yes; moral right is a different idea.
    Ludwik Kowalski, the author of a FREE ON_LINE book,

    “Diary of a Former Communist: Thoughts, Feelings, Reality.” The link is:

    http://csam.montclair.edu/~kowalski/life/intro.html

    This autobiography illustrates my evolution from one extreme to another--from a devoted Stalinist to an active anti-communist. This testimony is based on a diary I kept between 1946 and 2004 (in the USSR, Poland, France and the USA).

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    What about the moral right to claim that the wealthiest should be paying the most taxes during any time of war, even our wars on abstractions?

    In my opinion, merely paying for a War on Poverty or drugs on a generational basis, but not actually solving poverty should be considered for-cause criteria for higher taxes until the wealthiest convince our elected representatives to put words on formerly blank pieces of paper that have the effect of actually solving our social dilemmas and enact them with the force of law.
    Last edited by danielpalos; Jul 10 2012 at 07:16 AM.

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    The simple answer to the OP is this, until we can completely revamp the tax code, the average consumer, small business (95% make less than 250K) and the poor cannot afford more tax. In fact, they cannot afford a sick hooker a hotcake. The only segment left are the wealthy who are doing quite well since the '08 bust. So, yes, we must tax them since there is no other revenue available and they are under-taxed to begin with.
    "Againsed stupidity, the Gods themselves contend in vain." F. von Schilling

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    In my opinion, artificial persons are the wealthiest and should be taxed the most.

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    Quote Originally Posted by clarkatticus View Post
    The simple answer to the OP is this, until we can completely revamp the tax code, the average consumer, small business (95% make less than 250K) and the poor cannot afford more tax. In fact, they cannot afford a sick hooker a hotcake. The only segment left are the wealthy who are doing quite well since the '08 bust. So, yes, we must tax them since there is no other revenue available and they are under-taxed to begin with.
    The poor don't pay taxes. The middle class is fine. They don't pay much taxes. The rich already pay more taxes, as they should. Overall, everyone can afford to pay more taxes to reduce the deficit, and invest money in better things besides drugs, casinos, and TV's.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oldjar07 View Post
    The poor don't pay taxes.
    That is a bald falsehood. They pay sales taxes, excise taxes, gas taxes, etc.
    The middle class is fine. They don't pay much taxes.
    Two more bald falsehoods. The middle class pays the great majority of all taxes, and the increase in inequality, swelling the ranks of the poor, proves the middle class is anything but fine.
    The rich already pay more taxes, as they should.
    But they don't pay nearly as MUCH more as they should.
    Overall, everyone can afford to pay more taxes to reduce the deficit, and invest money in better things besides drugs, casinos, and TV's.
    One can always think of ways to invest more wisely. But that is not really relevant to the issue of where the tax burden should fall.

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    Quote Originally Posted by oldjar07 View Post
    The poor don't pay taxes. The middle class is fine. They don't pay much taxes. The rich already pay more taxes, as they should. Overall, everyone can afford to pay more taxes to reduce the deficit, and invest money in better things besides drugs, casinos, and TV's.
    In my opinion, it is not so much that we have to pay taxes, but that many of our public policies don't actually provide for the general welfare and the general prosperity.

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