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    Morning Bell: The Highest Taxes in the World:

    There aren’t many American-owned companies more iconic than Anheuser-Busch, the famous producer of Budweiser beer based in St. Louis, Missouri. That was true up until 2008, when the Brazilian-Belgian company InBev executed a hostile takeover of the historic brewer, leading to layoffs of more than 1,800 workers. Unfortunately, conditions in the United States are growing ripe for even more takeovers like these to occur, especially now that the nation’s corporate tax rate is officially the highest in the world.

    As of yesterday, the U.S. corporate tax rate of 39.2 percent claimed the world’s top spot, edging out Japan which recently lowered its rate from 39.5 percent to 36.8 percent. (The U.S. rate includes the 35 percent federal rate plus the average rate the states add on.) That’s well above the 25 percent average of other developed nations. Heritage’s Curtis Dubay explains the impact on companies based in the United States:

    This gaping disparity means every other country that we compete with for new investment is better situated to land that new investment and the jobs that come with it, because the after-tax return from that investment promises to be higher in those lower-taxed nations.

    Our high rate also makes our businesses prime targets for takeovers by businesses headquartered in foreign countries, because their worldwide profits are no longer subject to the highest-in-the-world U.S. corporate tax rate. Until Congress cuts the rate, more and more iconic U.S. businesses such as Anheuser-Busch will be bought by their foreign competitors.


    Unfortunately, in the face of this tax rate, the Obama Administration is proposing measures that will make matters even worse for U.S. companies. Last week, Vice President Joe Biden proposed a “global minimum tax” in a wrongheaded effort to encourage companies to invest in the United States instead of overseas. Just like the rest of President Obama’s corporate tax policy, it will just make matters worse — punishing firms that seek new opportunities in growing markets by taxing their earnings in those developing markets even more heavily than they’re already taxed. The net result will be to make it even more likely that the companies’ assets would go up for sale to overseas firms in order to escape the Obama tax penalty. Unfortunately, America’s workers pay the price for this destructive tax policy. Heritage’s J.D. Foster explains why:

    Economists and policymakers increasingly understand that while the tax is paid almost exclusively out of profits that would otherwise go to the shareholders, the true economic burden falls primarily on workers.

    The reason is simply that the higher the effective corporate tax burden, the higher the hurdle rate on corporate investment. (The hurdle rate is the minimum rate a business must earn on investment to make the investment.) The higher the hurdle rate, the less investment takes place. The less investment takes place, the slower labor productivity grows, and the slower labor productivity grows, the slower wages grow.


    Congress should act now to help make America more competitive on the global stage, and it can do so by reducing the corporate tax rate to match or preferably fall below the international average. The U.S. economy is struggling to recover from the global recession, and by lifting the burden of record-high corporate tax rates, Congress can give American companies incentive to grow and expand here at home. If not, the American people can expect to see more companies like Anheuser-Busch bought up by international competitors — and the jobs will go right along with them.

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    "The problem is, is that the way Bush has done it over the last eight years is to take out a credit card from the Bank of China in the name of our children, driving up our national debt from $5 trillion dollars for the first 42 presidents — number 43 added $4 trillion dollars by his lonesome, so that we now have over $9 trillion dollars of debt that we are going to have to pay back — $30,000 for every man, woman and child. It’s irresponsible. It’s unpatriotic!" - Barack Hussein Obama


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    This is a standard example of misinformation. The US does not have the highest corporate tax rate. To make such a comparison we'd have to refer to effective rates, something deliberately avoided by those making these unsupported claims

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reiver View Post
    This is a standard example of misinformation. The US does not have the highest corporate tax rate. To make such a comparison we'd have to refer to effective rates, something deliberately avoided by those making these unsupported claims
    Well then, refer us to effective tax rates.

    Nonetheless, the U.S. has the highest corporate tax rate.
    "The problem is, is that the way Bush has done it over the last eight years is to take out a credit card from the Bank of China in the name of our children, driving up our national debt from $5 trillion dollars for the first 42 presidents — number 43 added $4 trillion dollars by his lonesome, so that we now have over $9 trillion dollars of debt that we are going to have to pay back — $30,000 for every man, woman and child. It’s irresponsible. It’s unpatriotic!" - Barack Hussein Obama

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    You won't find one source that shows the US has the highest effective rate (the only rate that really matters). I'm sorry to say but you've been manipulated by a clear falsehood

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reiver View Post
    You won't find one source that shows the US has the highest effective rate (the only rate that really matters). I'm sorry to say but you've been manipulated by a clear falsehood
    It doesn't matter. The U.S. has the highest corporate rates, effective or otherwise.
    "The problem is, is that the way Bush has done it over the last eight years is to take out a credit card from the Bank of China in the name of our children, driving up our national debt from $5 trillion dollars for the first 42 presidents — number 43 added $4 trillion dollars by his lonesome, so that we now have over $9 trillion dollars of debt that we are going to have to pay back — $30,000 for every man, woman and child. It’s irresponsible. It’s unpatriotic!" - Barack Hussein Obama

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    It doesn't have the highest effective rate. You've confused yourself. Not all your fault mind you. You've been fed misinformation

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reiver View Post
    It doesn't have the highest effective rate. You've confused yourself. Not all your fault mind you. You've been fed misinformation
    Then you are even moreso misinformed. You spew nonsense with absolutely no evidence of what you say.
    "The problem is, is that the way Bush has done it over the last eight years is to take out a credit card from the Bank of China in the name of our children, driving up our national debt from $5 trillion dollars for the first 42 presidents — number 43 added $4 trillion dollars by his lonesome, so that we now have over $9 trillion dollars of debt that we are going to have to pay back — $30,000 for every man, woman and child. It’s irresponsible. It’s unpatriotic!" - Barack Hussein Obama

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    Quote Originally Posted by onalandline View Post
    Then you are even moreso misinformed. You spew nonsense with absolutely no evidence of what you say.
    This is a nonsensical response. To make any relevant international comparison of corporate tax rates we have to refer to effective rates. There is no debate in that. You haven't referred to such rates, preferring to stick diligently to a piece of misinformation. You need to put it right. Can you or can't you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Reiver View Post
    This is a nonsensical response. To make any relevant international comparison of corporate tax rates we have to refer to effective rates. There is no debate in that. You haven't referred to such rates, preferring to stick diligently to a piece of misinformation. You need to put it right. Can you or can't you?
    I generally agree that we don't have the highest effective corporate tax rate, but we're pretty close. That said, how many Billions of dollars are wasted every year getting from that highest marginal rate to the lower effective one? There's a hell of a lot of wasted money there.
    I have no joy in strife,
    Peace is my great desire;
    Yet God forbid I lose my life
    Through fear to face the fire. -Henry Van Dyke

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    Quote Originally Posted by IgnoranceisBliss View Post
    There's a hell of a lot of wasted money there.
    We certainly can refer to inefficiencies within the tax codes in general, often encouraged by influence costs on our easily corrupted politicians. Happy to agree to that (just seems to be strange to refer to it in a thread based on misinformation, typically the means to ensure a lack of accountability for those politicians)

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