The Poor In America - Page 13

Toby · #**121** (**permalink**) 07-01-2008, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by JavaBlack

By the same token... America also has high standards for human rights. A lot of outsourcing is to get around labor laws and run business in places where the governments treat their people like a commodity.
Does that make it wrong to have high standards of human rights?

Of course I'm also not one who believes outsourcing affects us negatively, at least as far as the economy goes. We tend to lose crappy jobs and gain good ones.
But I am a little concerned about the consequences of turning other countries into specialist nations for raw resource extraction and mindless labor- that's hardly a tide that raises all boats when projected into the future.

OOOOOHHHHH!!!! Its sooooo clear now. Democrats arent mad because the jobs are moving overseas due to outstanding liberal tax policys. Theyre mad because people in the countrys that they move to are paid less!! IT MAKES SO MUCH SINCE NOW!! Thanks for clearing that up! Wanderful spin!!!!!

Total Chaos · #**122** (**permalink**) 07-02-2008, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by C-D-P

Forgive me for being judgmental. But maybe you should not have gotten yourself fired.

It's called downsizing... and it affected every worker in my department regardless of performance and/or tenure.

Tarheeler · #**123** (**permalink**) 07-02-2008, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Total Chaos

It's called downsizing... and it affected every worker in my department regardless of performance and/or tenure.

Then it would be a permanent lay-off rather than an for-cause termination (fired), correct?

But they have given you advanced notice, which allows you to start looking for a new job while currently employed. That is a big advantage.

Total Chaos · #**124** (**permalink**) 07-02-2008, 02:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Tarheeler

Then it would be a permanent lay-off rather than an for-cause termination (fired), correct?

But they have given you advanced notice, which allows you to start looking for a new job while currently employed. That is a big advantage.

Yes. This company was bought by a big corporation who made the decision to lay off workers and outsource the work to India.

The advanced notice is a good thing, finding a comparable job in this economy is another matter.

C-D-P · #**125** (**permalink**) 07-02-2008, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Total Chaos

It's called downsizing... and it affected every worker in my department regardless of performance and/or tenure.

As Tarheeler just said. That is not being fired.

When it comes to downsizing you have to make yourself more valuable than your co-worker. If you did not do that, then that is on you.

I do not really buy the whole can't find work thing. Maybe it depends on your skill set. I don't know.

But one thing I do know is I have been looking at getting out of the military, and in just the last week after putting my resume on several sites I have had more than half a dozen offers roll in.

Anikdote · #**126** (**permalink**) 07-02-2008, 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Total Chaos

Yes. This company was bought by a big corporation who made the decision to lay off workers and outsource the work to India.

If we'd quit taxing corporations at the rate we are this problem would be resolved. Yet another reason to endorse the fair tax.

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The advanced notice is a good thing, finding a comparable job in this economy is another matter.

Unemployment is at what many economists would call full employment. Only a fraction of people actually seeking work aren't employed, of course this certainly depends on your skill set and area of expertise.

Total Chaos · #**127** (**permalink**) 07-03-2008, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by C-D-P

When it comes to downsizing you have to make yourself more valuable than your co-worker. If you did not do that, then that is on you.

Dude! EVERY WORKER's job in this deparment was outsourced, regardless of performance and/or tenure. No co-workers were spared. We are ALL being let go to save company money.

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I do not really buy the whole can't find work thing. Maybe it depends on your skill set. I don't know.

But one thing I do know is I have been looking at getting out of the military, and in just the last week after putting my resume on several sites I have had more than half a dozen offers roll in.

Five years ago it would be much easier. I'm sure I'll find a job, but it may take a lot longer now that inflation is way up and earnings are way down. And the bills don't take a pause.

justabubba · #**128** (**permalink**) 07-03-2008, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Total Chaos

Dude! EVERY WORKER's job in this deparment was outsourced, regardless of performance and/or tenure. No co-workers were spared. We are ALL being let go to save company money.

Five years ago it would be much easier. I'm sure I'll find a job, but it may take a lot longer now that inflation is way up and earnings are way down. And the bills don't take a pause.

good luck to you in finding a new career ... and apologies for the rudeness displayed by some of our cohort ... blaming the victim is a favorite pasttime for a few

Total Chaos · #**129** (**permalink**) 07-03-2008, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by justabubba

good luck to you in finding a new career ... and apologies for the rudeness displayed by some of our cohort ... blaming the victim is a favorite pasttime for a few

Thank you Bubba. I'm used to people that 'blame the victim' btw, and generally it's an attempt to thwart those who 'play the victim' ... and I don't 'play' anything.

reasonmrsmith · #**130** (**permalink**) 07-05-2008, 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Total Chaos

It's called downsizing... and it affected every worker in my department regardless of performance and/or tenure.

I hope that you will vote for a pro-business president. when will people realize that good jobs are not a right, but rather the result of businesses that seek to expand? You cannot raise taxes, increase regulations, and put hand-cuffs on business operators and owners, and then expect to always have a good job. It is clear that you are not an innovator and so your entire life depends on the hard work of others who envision a slot for you... it is in your best interest for those people to have an easy time of it.

And you are not a victim, that is crap. You're a human being with a mind and a beating heart. Create what you want.

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