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Old 05-17-2007, 05:16 PM
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Default redistribution of income

Taxes should not be used to redistribute income, taxes should be used in the pusuit of happiness of and for the general plublic, ie; curing cancer, fighting crime, etc.

the rich should be taxed a higher percent because they can afford to give more. The poor cannot.

to understand this and other tax theories (such as flat tax) One must only simply look at and understand understand take home pay. It also helps to look at the total amount of total taxes needed by the american govt.

in the end "taxes should never be used for redistribution of income"
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Taxes should not be used to redistribute income
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the rich should be taxed a higher percent because they can afford to give more. The poor cannot.
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in the end "taxes should never be used for redistribution of income"
Wow! Not only did you contradict yourself, but you did it TWICE. Brilliant.
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Socialists seem to see that different.
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Socialists seem to see that different.
I notice that. I guess that is why the German socialists live much more fulfilled lives than Americans. They seem to think in terms of solidarity in the workplace, the homes, the health care system, the transportation and the economy as well. In fact they do so well in Germany that I am surprised socialism has not worked better here in America.
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Until people are ready to step up and pay for their own way, this is never going to work. We might be waiting for the day for a long time too......
The fairest way is to put a tax on consumerism, a flat 10% of anything you buy is levied. Then we could cut the IRS down to hounding business for the collected taxes and leave the poor working people the hell alone.

It might give government incentive to clean up their friggin act of wild spending, monitor the trade deficit, etc. to get their payroll taxes.

And elected officials of three brances of government should be paid a percentage of gross sales receipts paid in by consumers.
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How is it that people who propose a mere 10% , non-progressive, tax are considered to be the right-wing capitalists. In the American Revolution, people dumped British tea into the harbor in outrage to a 2% tax. Our current Income tax system is not only disgusting, but unconstitutional. The Constitution protects our property rights, and last time I checked, my money is MY property.

If you look at the ten planks of the Communist Manifesto, you will see how the income tax fulfills two of them.

1. Abolition of private property - we have that
2. Progressive income tax - we have that
3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance - we have that with taxes on inheritance
4. Confiscation of emigrant property - we have that
5. Central banks - we have that
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All ten we have in America
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We need to have another American Revolution. Our founding fathers gave us the tools by which to do it peacefully. Let's use them to vote the tyrants out of office before they take our ability to change things peacefully away. Then, the only option would be to refresh the tree of liberty with the blood of patriots and tyrants.


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Nice libertyordeath.

THough, I wonder if you think "sales taxes" are a good way for our government to gain funding for what they need to fund sanctioned government programs?

Personally, the only tax that the feds or even the states should recieve is sales taxes. This way when I buy something, I can determine what they will recieve.
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How is it that people who propose a mere 10% , non-progressive, tax are considered to be the right-wing capitalists. In the American Revolution, people dumped British tea into the harbor in outrage to a 2% tax. Our current Income tax system is not only disgusting, but unconstitutional. The Constitution protects our property rights, and last time I checked, my money is MY property.

If you look at the ten planks of the Communist Manifesto, you will see how the income tax fulfills two of them.

1. Abolition of private property - we have that
2. Progressive income tax - we have that
3. Abolition of all rights of inheritance - we have that with taxes on inheritance
4. Confiscation of emigrant property - we have that
5. Central banks - we have that
6-10. goto http://laissez-fairerepublic.com/TenPlanks.html

All ten we have in America
Are you glad you live in a Communist country. Personally, I think we need to take back our country before we turn into Soviet Russia.

An unknown author describes the progress of democracies as:
"from bondage to spiritual faith; from spiritual faith to great courage; from great courage to liberty; from liberty to abundance; from abundance to selfishness; from selfishness to complacency; from complacency to apathy; from apathy to dependency; from dependency back to bondage."

We need to have another American Revolution. Our founding fathers gave us the tools by which to do it peacefully. Let's use them to vote the tyrants out of office before they take our ability to change things peacefully away. Then, the only option would be to refresh the tree of liberty with the blood of patriots and tyrants.


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Just because we have some economic policies that are similar to some forms of communism that doesn't mean at all that we are communists. Those policys that you said that Communist Manifesto had in common with the American economic system is only because most of them have revealed themselves to be nescessary, if we still want to have a modern economy (central banking).

You are claiming that the constitution protects your rights and it does. Property taxes only go to into your state and if you don't like those taxes than you should try to end it in your state. In that way you could disagree with income taxes from the federal government because you can't stop that. I partially agree with you on the problem with income taxes but most likely for different reasons. I am pretty sure that inheritance taxes are also just to the states but I am unsure.

In America we kind of try to allow anyone to become rich or wealthy and if we didn't have inheritance taxes that would ruin it because than wealthy people's children would have an even bigger advantage, for the sole reason of being in a rich family instead of their own merit.

We also need a central banking system unless you want to go back to the ways of run-away inflation in all of the small banks and thousands of types of currencys in America.

Instead of saying that those policies are bad just because communists support them you should say the reasons for how they are harmful. You should never be against anything just because an ideology that you disagree with agrees in them.
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How can it be fair for the government to tax one person "X" because they make "X" amount of money and then take it form them and give to someone else. (government programs)
It cannot be fair. It is collectivist statist mentality, and it is theft:

"To take a man's property without his consent is robbery; and to assume his consent where no consent is given, makes the taking none the less robbery. If it did not, the highwayman has the same right to assume a man's consent to part with his purse, that any other man, or body of men, can have. And his assumption would afford as much moral justification for his robbery as does a like assumption, on the part of the government, for taking a man's property without his consent. The government's pretense of protecting him, as an equivalent for the taxation, affords no justification. It is for himself to decide whether he desires such protection as the government offers him. If he does not desire it, or does not bargain for it, the government has no more right, than any other insurance company to impose it upon him, or make him pay for it." - Lysander Spooner, "Trial by Jury"
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