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We spend far more on Social Services than we do on the Military. Besides that, the Charter of the Federal Government was to provide Security for the States. The States were supposed to take care of Social Issues, this is a Federal government that is completely out of control and spending on practically anything that anyone suggests.

I'm sure you would like us to do like Rome of old did and turn in our Swords for Plowshares, to ready us for destruction. This is a dangerous world we live in, and Military readiness is the price of peace.
I'd be interested in a chart of some sort.

A chart that illustrates since say 1945 (good time period to start) the cost of the military (meaning anything, ANYTHING related to the military) vs. social services provided by the government in that over sixty year period.

I'd bet my money that defense trumps social services. Not that social services don't account for a lot of money (they do and need to be rid of), but the military...just wow.
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I'd be interested in a chart of some sort.

A chart that illustrates since say 1945 (good time period to start) the cost of the military (meaning anything, ANYTHING related to the military) vs. social services provided by the government in that over sixty year period.

I'd bet my money that defense trumps social services. Not that social services don't account for a lot of money (they do and need to be rid of), but the military...just wow.
you obviously didn't get my point.
The Military IS THE PURPOSE of the Federal Government. They should be spending 70% of their Budget on the military, and 10% on the Judiciary, 10% on the FBI and CIA and 10% on Administration. Period.
All the social programs need to go back to the states where they belong, and then they can slash the budget by at least 7 Trillion.
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you obviously didn't get my point.
The Military IS THE PURPOSE of the Federal Government. They should be spending 70% of their Budget on the military, and 10% on the Judiciary, 10% on the FBI and CIA and 10% on Administration. Period.
All the social programs need to go back to the states where they belong, and then they can slash the budget by at least 7 Trillion.
No. We do not need to spend that much on military.
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No. We do not need to spend that much on military.
Actually we need to spend MORE on the military, and bring back a Draft, if we would have gone all out with these wars, they would be over by now.
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Actually we need to spend MORE on the military, and bring back a Draft, if we would have gone all out with these wars, they would be over by now.
I disagree.

And not in favor of a drat. A draft in a free society is contradictory.

You can't force me to die.
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Actually we need to spend MORE on the military, and bring back a Draft, if we would have gone all out with these wars, they would be over by now.
I've been with you until you said bring back the draft. I supported Vietnam, but there's no way you could ever get me to support the draft unless there was a clear and present danger to the soil of the United States of America. While Vietnam was for the protection of our country, there was no immediate, direct threat to our own soil. It goes against every thing that freedom loving people stand for.
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I've been with you until you said bring back the draft. I supported Vietnam, but there's no way you could ever get me to support the draft unless there was a clear and present danger to the soil of the United States of America. While Vietnam was for the protection of our country, there was no immediate, direct threat to our own soil. It goes against every thing that freedom loving people stand for.
Even if there was an invasion, I wouldn't support a draft. I would fight personally. But I cannot force you to fight and die.
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I disagree.

And not in favor of a draft. A draft in a free society is contradictory.

You can't force me to die.
There is no such thing as freedom, if no one is willing to defend it. We should know by now that there are plenty of bullies out there that are just waiting to steal your lunch.
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There is no such thing as freedom, if no one is willing to defend it. We should know by now that there are plenty of bullies out there that are just waiting to steal your lunch.
I'm willing to defend it. But I'm not willing to force someone else to.
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I've been with you until you said bring back the draft. I supported Vietnam, but there's no way you could ever get me to support the draft unless there was a clear and present danger to the soil of the United States of America. While Vietnam was for the protection of our country, there was no immediate, direct threat to our own soil. It goes against every thing that freedom loving people stand for.
Well if not the draft then something needs to be done to entice more people to join the Military. At the rate we're going we'll be completely defenseless in a couple hundred years. Then what do we do when there are Barbarians at the gate? This country is shooting itself in the foot, over and over again. And you know what, maybe what you do is have a Draft, but the Combat parts are completely optional (this way you can't say that I'm forcing you to die for the country). Truth is the Military needs just as many people in Support positions, as they do in Combat positions.

And if you don't want to join the Military at all, even in a non combat position, NO PROBLEM, you don't have to go, you will be issued a green card and you are now a second class citizen of the U.S. with no voting rights, and only the same rights afforded to Legal Residences of the U.S.A. You can still live here, and make a life here, but without service, you don't get to become a 'real' citizen with Voting privileges, and Top Secret Clearances for FBI positions, top government jobs and such.

Too many people take citizenship in this country for granted, they want to just take, take and take, but give nothing back in return.
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