Thing is though...Ya'll weren't on the losing end of the language issue Louis...In fact, since it's mandatory for all Canadians to take French in school, to learn the language, ya'll won despite the fact they're not in your territory.

In this instance, you can't argue that ya'll are the 'minority' because as a 'minority', you've gotten your preference of langage made mandatory for all non-French decent Canadians. You won.

And your voices are pretty strong in regards to voting capabilities, even though ya'lls culture/policies are different from the other 3 territories in Canada in politics and language barriers ya'll created.

I'm sorry, but I don't see what you're discribing anything comparable in the regards to Mexican illegals and the US. Not at all.

But I do see in your posts, the clash of 'French versus Non-French Canadians' that my hubby and in-laws told me about and I saw first hand when visiting Canada.

Your whole mentality is, 'We're the real Canadians and the other Candians are all visitors and should leave'...It's people like you trying to draw the line between a culture ya'll should be sharing as Canadians...Rather then focusing on who hasn't got 'French blood' in them...

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The word "trying" implies that there was effort involved. And there was no effort. Basically you people are being crybabies from what we can see.


Unless you have better reasons than you have already given, yeah, it'd be pretty pointless. You are unlikely to elicit sympathy.


They'll all be American by then. Ethnic purity rarely survives the second generation in America. By 2108 they wont be hispanic anymore. They'll be Americans of hispanic descent. My ancestors were German, but I am not German.

I cant say I am all that surprised by your position. Racial loyalty is common among the lower cultures. I sometimes forget that many of you have not caught up to us yet.


Cry us a river. You people come across like spoiled brats. I attempted to give you the benefit of the doubt, but I see my initial prejudices were correct after all.



Until we decide to invade them, heh heh

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Hola Señor Savior,
one last piece of fact for my new denver buddy to shoot at...
there's no "racial loyalty" in QC, there's even not that much of a "language loyalty" either these days, most immigrants that come here merge right in and end up thinking themselves as Quebeckers (just like yours end up feeling American), Chinese, Romanian, Hispanics, Germans, you name them... half of these new folks even feel QC enough to have voted for independence back in 95... I myself am mixed Scottish, no racial loyalty, just solidarity. Ever heard of "La Raza" in the US? there, now ready, load, shoot at will
Hasta Luego

One of the things I am curious about concerning Quebec independence is exactly what territory it would cover. I thought a good portion of Quebec (particularly the resource rich areas) is actually land belonging to native tribes and leased under treaty to the Canadian government and that those tribes have little interest in changing that lease. If that is true it certainly woudn't leave Quebec with much in the way of an economy, land or resources.

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Your comment about America and Hispanics leads me to believe otherwise.


I see no distinction.

I don't have solidarity with people merely because they share my skin color or common ancestry. I have solidarity with people who share my ideology.

That is one thing that makes America different from virtually every other culture that has ever existed. One reason we are united depite being different races and religions. No one is really native to this nation. We all originated from lower cultures.


No.

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I'm an "anglo" Quebecer and if Quebec separates, I propose that Canada's capital is moved from Ottawa to Victoria BC. Other good options would be Vancouver or Calgary. This would reflect the country's new balance. The capital has moved before, before Ottawa there were other cities. True the costs would be significant but it would be worth it. A commission could be set up to oversee the move. Significant buildings that have special heritage value, like the Parliament building and the Supreme court building would benefit from a special relocation fund. They would basically be carefully de-constructed, transported and rebuilt faithfully as they were (like the Abu Simbel temple in Egypt was moved). Of course it would be cheaper to build new buildings for these institutions but keeping these could be worth it, it would work to unite the country in a collective project and give it a sense of continuity. Other less significant buildings, like the PM's house or the Canada Post building would simply be put to sale. New buildings would be built or bought in Victoria. Costs for relocating foreign embassies would be at each country's expenses. As for civil workers and private businesses catering to them (hotels, real estate groups, etc.) any opportunity lost here would pop up in Victoria. Basically there would be a drop in the market for the Ottawa region and local city pressure groups would scream injustice but for the long-term sake of the country these should ignored, or compensated symbolically. Of course there are capital cities in other countries that are at a rock's throw from their neighbors, but it wouldn't be healthy here. Ottawa is too QC-oriented. The new Canada's balance of power wouldn't be there anymore. The two founding nations myth would have to be recast, the new emphasis would be rebalanced on Canada's British heritage, just like Australia, it would be turned towards the future, the West, the Pacific and its rising Asian partners.

Congradulations and best of luck to the Scottish National Party. Fighting for independence when you're already part of a rich and modern country is not an easy thing, especially in today's individualistic, politically-bored world. Most people today have totally forgotten or don't care about their ancestors' struggles, as long as their daily little comforts aren't threatened. This is a shame, people aren't sheep, there's more to a people's future than just to merge into a single bland human blob. Just like there's biodiversity in nature, there's diversity in human people and cultures. There are rarer species, then there are rats, pigeons, etc that thrive so much they would take over the whole ecosystem if they could. Opponents of human diversity argue we should all be the same, like rats or pigeons and let go of our cultural differences. They equate borders with war and intolerance, but would never give up theirs. One of the purposes of independence or for that matter having countries, is to allow differences, protect a certain area on earth for a people to exist and evolve. Borders are not bad things, they're not being close-minded, or anti-neighbors. When John Lennon sang to imagine no countries to kill or die for, he didn't mean to have the smaller countries shut up and merge in the big ones for peace's sake. Erasing all borders is a nice dream but can't be used by one against the other for self-interest. One of the reasons that made Europe thrive in sciences and arts over the centuries was that it had diversity and competition, it wasn't a single faceless blob. Like the saying goes: you can't have a door without walls. I applaud Scottish independence and apologize to Brits who disagree, as it's none of my business, being a foreigner (good thing there are borders!).

Pretty much. Yeah.

We live in a better world than our ancestors did. So it makes sense that such divisions would matter less to us.



Why are borders required to prevent that from happening?

By your logic the best thing would be for everyone to be their own nation.



We should all have the same rights, yeah. I dont see anyone here arguing that all people need to be the same. You are attempting to construct a strawman.


Who is doing that? Can you be specific?


How is Canada preventing Quebec from "evolving"?



The US now eclipses Europe in many (most?) areas of science, yet we are one nation while they are many.

The US is hardly a faceless blob...we are the most diverse culture that has ever existed.

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I need to agree and applaud Alicornsprayer on this;

Thing is though...Ya'll weren't on the losing end of the language issue Louis...In fact, since it's mandatory for all Canadians to take French in school, to learn the language, ya'll won despite the fact they're not in your territory. Yes and if you fail your French credit you will not graduate High School

In this instance, you can't argue that ya'll are the 'minority' because as a 'minority', you've gotten your preference of langage made mandatory for all non-French decent Canadians. You won. What bothers me the most is that in every other Province in Canada (or Mostly seems the Atlantic Provinces are not buying into the French BS) But the other Provinces all have French signs everywhere you look. People being hired in other Provinces Especially in Ottawa you NEED to be bilingual and know how to speak French if not the job is not yours. BUT if you go to Quebec you will NOT see English signs (ok in Aylmer you do but they do not want to be apart of Quebec) and you have a very hard time finding an English speaking employee, We have to drive through Quebec all the time and you do not see one english sign to direct an english person where to go. Even the Emergency signs are in French, good thing my husband speaks French and he is not proud of it, he in fact hides it.

And your voices are pretty strong in regards to voting capabilities, even though ya'lls culture/policies are different from the other 3 territories in Canada in politics and language barriers ya'll created. Agree 100%

I'm sorry, but I don't see what you're discribing anything comparable in the regards to Mexican illegals and the US. Not at all. Neither does he

But I do see in your posts, the clash of 'French versus Non-French Canadians' that my hubby and in-laws told me about and I saw first hand when visiting Canada. Oh yes non-french speaking Canadians are scum of the earth, not worth a second look

Your whole mentality is, 'We're the real Canadians and the other Candians are all visitors and should leave'...It's people like you trying to draw the line between a culture ya'll should be sharing as Canadians...Rather then focusing on who hasn't got 'French blood' in them... OMG I could not have said that better, that IS in deed how they think and portray themselves.

In other words PULEASE you have it so much better than you think, Us "regular" Canadians have a hard time reading which bathroom is ours in our OWN Province, meanwhile you can order your food from a menu in your language outside of your Province.

Oh and Hey everyone, I am new here and this is my first post.