Thread: Keystone pipeline delayed until 2013

Keystone pipeline delayed until 2013
http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2...e.html?cmp=rss

The Harper administration and the Alberta Premier are crying the blues.

And they are suggesting that Canada can sell the un-refined oil to China.

Are they braindead. Canada has it's own refineries. Why would they want to pipe it to Texas to have it refined there.

It seems to me that the Harper administration and the Alberta Premier are more concerned with temporary jobs in the US building the pipeline than they are concerned about permanent jobs for Canadians. If it was refined in Canada it would supply permanent Canadian jobs in the refinery as well as permanent Canadian jobs to truck it to Texas after it was refined.

Take the vote on the side of the web site above. It's already showing 54.21% in favour of Alberta processing the bitumen here in Canada.

Originally Posted by mikemac

Keystone pipeline delayed until 2013
http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2...e.html?cmp=rss

The Harper administration and the Alberta Premier are crying the blues.

And they are suggesting that Canada can sell the un-refined oil to China.

Are they braindead. Canada has it's own refineries. Why would they want to pipe it to Texas to have it refined there.

It seems to me that the Harper administration and the Alberta Premier are more concerned with temporary jobs in the US building the pipeline than they are concerned about permanent jobs for Canadians. If it was refined in Canada it would supply permanent Canadian jobs in the refinery as well as permanent Canadian jobs to truck it to Texas after it was refined.

Take the vote on the side of the web site above. It's already showing 54.21% in favour of Alberta processing the bitumen here in Canada.

I agree.. and evidently its the tea party peoperty owners alond the Keystone route that want more environmental impact studies.

Most of these environmental groups are fronts for big oil.

Originally Posted by mikemac

Keystone pipeline delayed until 2013
http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/story/2...e.html?cmp=rss

The Harper administration and the Alberta Premier are crying the blues.

And they are suggesting that Canada can sell the un-refined oil to China.

Are they braindead. Canada has it's own refineries. Why would they want to pipe it to Texas to have it refined there.

It seems to me that the Harper administration and the Alberta Premier are more concerned with temporary jobs in the US building the pipeline than they are concerned about permanent jobs for Canadians. If it was refined in Canada it would supply permanent Canadian jobs in the refinery as well as permanent Canadian jobs to truck it to Texas after it was refined.

Take the vote on the side of the web site above. It's already showing 54.21% in favour of Alberta processing the bitumen here in Canada.

The objective is to use NAFTA to pipe it to a Free Trade Zone in Texas where it will be refined and sold overseas at a higher price.

Its all about profits and tax avoidance.

That's right Margot. The intent of the pipeline was to pipe it to Port Arthur, Texas, a free trade zone to avoid taxes then to be sold overseas, not for US consumption at all.

"The oil industry is pulling a bait and switch scam with Keystone XL – offering it as a path to economic and national security when the pipeline is mostly meant for export. According to the State Department, only 20 permanent jobs will be created by the pipeline. Even the pipeline company acknowledged that only “a few hundred permanent jobs’ will be created. Claims the pipeline will created 100,000 jobs are false."
http://switchboard.nrdc.org/blogs/dd..._keystone.html

What a scam. And Harper's administration would have known all about this too.

Have you ever asked yourself why pre-tax prices for gas are less expensive in the States than they are in Canada, when Canada is the US's main oil supplier? It doesn't make sense at all. Canadians are getting shafted all around with NAFTA.

Originally Posted by mikemac

That's right Margot. The intent of the pipeline was to pipe it to Port Arthur, Texas, a free trade zone to avoid taxes then to be sold overseas, not for US consumption at all.

"The oil industry is pulling a bait and switch scam with Keystone XL – offering it as a path to economic and national security when the pipeline is mostly meant for export. According to the State Department, only 20 permanent jobs will be created by the pipeline. Even the pipeline company acknowledged that only “a few hundred permanent jobs’ will be created. Claims the pipeline will created 100,000 jobs are false."
http://switchboard.nrdc.org/blogs/dd..._keystone.html

What a scam. And Harper's administration would have known all about this too.

Have you ever asked yourself why pre-tax prices for gas are less expensive in the States than they are in Canada, when Canada is the US's main oil supplier? It doesn't make sense at all. Canadians are getting shafted all around with NAFTA.

Good post.. you make it understandable.. Yes, the Canadians are getting screwed too.. and Americans are getting jammed by the politicians.

Map North American Refineries....I don't think Canada has much capacity left and must need to ship someplace, while prices are high, to support a business.


http://www.thegasgame.com/features/refinery-status/


Exactly what taxes are being avoided, to what Government and just what makes you think a refined product surplus wouldn't be sold to the highest bidder, anyplace?

Originally Posted by jackson33

Map North American Refineries....I don't think Canada has much capacity left and must need to ship someplace, while prices are high, to support a business.


http://www.thegasgame.com/features/refinery-status/


Exactly what taxes are being avoided, to what Government and just what makes you think a refined product surplus wouldn't be sold to the highest bidder, anyplace?

Read up on NAFTA and Free Trade Zones.. If the Canadian oil companies have to build pipelines east and west to Canadian ports they pay a higher tax rate for transit in Canada.

Read up on NAFTA and Free Trade Zones.. If the Canadian oil companies have to build pipelines east and west to Canadian ports they pay a higher tax rate for transit in Canada.

From your post, I agree, the crude will be refined and shipped from the Gulf Coast or if shipped to China, extra cost not only taxes but transport of the crude. It wouldn't make any business sense to ship to China.

I'll run some figures later, but to pipe crude 1600 mile is less expensive than piping it 1000 miles, paying additional taxes and then shipping many thousands of miles to China. Said another way, even without the tax, it doesn't make any business sense...

Originally Posted by jackson33

From your post, I agree, the crude will be refined and shipped from the Gulf Coast or if shipped to China, extra cost not only taxes but transport of the crude. It wouldn't make any business sense to ship to China.

I'll run some figures later, but to pipe crude 1600 mile is less expensive than piping it 1000 miles, paying additional taxes and then shipping many thousands of miles to China. Said another way, even without the tax, it doesn't make any business sense...

Well.. plug this into your thoughts.. Refined petroleum products bring higher prices in foreign markets than in the US or Canada.