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Old 06-01-2009, 09:03 AM
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i think the liberals could hit that 40% after the summer, if unemployment keeps rising as predicted.

wildbore: i complain about the deficit because there doesn't need to be one. the conservative government is too chicken (*)(*)(*)(*) to get the tax revenue they need to pay for the stimulus. i support stimulus spending, that doesn't mean i support deficits. but its no surprise to me that it takes a conservative government to add to the debt. with liberals we would have had stimulus spending without a large deficit. passing the buck is no way to run a country.

conservatives have (*)(*)(*)(*)ed up so much in my lifetime and i'm not even 30. In Ontario we've elected liberals to clean up the mess of conservatives after Mulroney and Harrison, and now Harper. How many times do we have to prove that conservative wishful thinking doesn't work?
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i think the liberals could hit that 40% after the summer, if unemployment keeps rising as predicted.

wildbore: i complain about the deficit because there doesn't need to be one. the conservative government is too chicken (*)(*)(*)(*) to get the tax revenue they need to pay for the stimulus. i support stimulus spending, that doesn't mean i support deficits. but its no surprise to me that it takes a conservative government to add to the debt. with liberals we would have had stimulus spending without a large deficit. passing the buck is no way to run a country.

conservatives have (*)(*)(*)(*)ed up so much in my lifetime and i'm not even 30. In Ontario we've elected liberals to clean up the mess of conservatives after Mulroney and Harrison, and now Harper. How many times do we have to prove that conservative wishful thinking doesn't work?
I think you meant Harris & Eves, not Harrison...just sayin'.
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i think the liberals could hit that 40% after the summer, if unemployment keeps rising as predicted.
Employment rose last month. So that sinks your theory.

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wildbore: i complain about the deficit because there doesn't need to be one. the conservative government is too chicken (*)(*)(*)(*) to get the tax revenue they need to pay for the stimulus. i support stimulus spending, that doesn't mean i support deficits. but its no surprise to me that it takes a conservative government to add to the debt.
Yea, because a Liberal carbon tax, 2% GST hike, and accross the board tax increases is really what our country needs...... In tough economic times we should help business and individuals, not rape them with tax hikes.

Its no surprise to see the Liberals pass the budget, they know Harper is the best steward of the economy.

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with liberals we would have had stimulus spending without a large deficit. passing the buck is no way to run a country.
Like McGuinty..... LOL!

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conservatives have (*)(*)(*)(*)ed up so much in my lifetime and i'm not even 30. In Ontario we've elected liberals to clean up the mess of conservatives after Mulroney and Harrison, and now Harper. How many times do we have to prove that conservative wishful thinking doesn't work?
McGuinty turned Ontario into a "HAVE NOT" province. Ontarians are tired of his business killing tax hikes and excessive regulations. There hasn't been a more incompetent leader in decades. The PC Party will probably be at 45% after their leadership convention and their selection of a solid Blue Tory, like Tim Hudak. Then after the people thrown McGuinty out in 2011, we can return to the days of competent and common sense management of Ontario.

I am not a fan of Mulroney. But even I realize he inherited a record deficit and debt from his incompetent Liberal predecessor Trudeau. He managed, to his own detriment, to bring in the GST, which Paul Martin states was a key aspect to balancing the books.
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Its no surprise to see the Liberals pass the budget, they know Harper is the best steward of the economy.
Harper the economic mastermind that said just before the election over and over we weren't going into a recession, that we would if fact have a slight surplus this year....oh yeah he's an economic genius, every bank in the country said there was trouble ahead over a year ago, but the buck toothed financial wizard knew better...


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I am not a fan of Mulroney. But even I realize he inherited a record deficit and debt from his incompetent Liberal predecessor Trudeau. He managed, to his own detriment, to bring in the GST, which Paul Martin states was a key aspect to balancing the books.
...and I'm no fan of the GST but didn't our beaver teeth financial genius not realize the GST made it possible to build a surplus??? which we would need right about now???? well maybe he would have if ever had a job as an economist...
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Harper the economic mastermind that said just before the election over and over we weren't going into a recession, that we would if fact have a slight surplus this year....oh yeah he's an economic genius, every bank in the country said there was trouble ahead over a year ago, but the buck toothed financial wizard knew better...
There was trouble ahead - which is why in October and November, the stock markets reached their alltime low. Why last month the unemployment reached it's highest in 25 years.

We did go into a recession, and we are now facing the biggest deficit in Canadian history.

I'm not blaming these facts on Harper, as I don't think the Liberals in power would have done any better. But stop trying to claim that everything good about the last 18 months has been because of Stevie.
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Only if you do not account for inflation or compare it to our GDP like all economists do.

In fact, Canada has the smallest deficit and debt to GDP in the G8. We have the most 'room' to further 'stimulate' the economy if we so wished.
Japan is the most debt ravaged G8 country. (by far)

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Only if you do not account for inflation or compare it to our GDP like all economists do.

In fact, Canada has the smallest deficit and debt to GDP in the G8. We have the most 'room' to further 'stimulate' the economy if we so wished.
Japan is the most debt ravaged G8 country. (by far)
I agree. In fact, I'd wager that Canada was one of the least affected G8 countries. And I'm not saying we're doomed. I'm just refuting the claim that Harper is the saviour to all of life's problems.
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I agree. In fact, I'd wager that Canada was one of the least affected G8 countries. And I'm not saying we're doomed. I'm just refuting the claim that Harper is the saviour to all of life's problems.
Very well. I wish the Conservative party had of had at least one term with majority status to see what they would have done. But, by necesity and ineptness, they have been focused on politics over policy. It is difficult to judge them with another government that had majority status as the big policy legislation comes out in the first couple of years when they know they will not have to face an election for some time. This is when all the best policy is made and (alternatively bad political promises are broken to keep good policy re: GST 1993)
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There was trouble ahead - which is why in October and November, the stock markets reached their alltime low. Why last month the unemployment reached it's highest in 25 years.

We did go into a recession, and we are now facing the biggest deficit in Canadian history.

I'm not blaming these facts on Harper, as I don't think the Liberals in power would have done any better. But stop trying to claim that everything good about the last 18 months has been because of Stevie.
no matter who was in government the situation would be the same that's true...but stevie as the great finacial wizard is pure BS...its one óf two options for Stevie 1-he's an economic idiot or 2-he deliberately lied to us numerous times...neither option is flattering...
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