People like to repeat what they read on hate sites. They feel if they read it, it must be true. They don't question what they read, just accept it face value.

One such myth trotted out by those who think they can understand Jewish history and Zionism and have found a basis to argue Zionism is "wrong" and "Jews" are a fake race, etc., is the Khazar myth.

The Khazar myth presents the false hypothesis that all present-day Jews are not of Israelite origin but Khazars and so they are not related to the original semitic Jews of Israel and so have no historic connection to Israel.

Like most false hypotheses it depends on the people repeating it to accept what they read at face value and have no awareness of Jewish or Russian history. It depends on people being lazy and thinking if they find something that fits into their belief that Zionism is evil, then they do not have to question it, they can just repeat it.

The problem is it doesn't make it authentic let alone even remotely accurate.

The people who spout it do not stop to think why it actually contradicts the very argument they think it supports. If as these Jewish historic experts were right and all Jews were Khazars, it does not establish Zionism as being "wrong". Zionism never claimed to define Jews by race as the geniuses who think they are contradicting Zionism think it does.

Zionism has never defined Jews as being a "race" of people. It defines Jews by sharing a collective identity. However the Jews ar all Khazar geniuses make no effort to even find out what Zionism is because they have no clue how Jewish identity is defined. They think it is defined by "race".

More to the point the all Jews are Khazars myth is even more irrational and absurd because it would only apply to Ashkenazi Jews not Sephardi, Teymani, Mizrachi, Bucharan, Indian, Felashie and other African Jews.

But then when such a false myth is promulgated it again depends on its propogators to be completely ignorant of just how many ethnic branches or "races" of Jews there are and to simply assume there is just one "race" of Jews.

Jews as a collective identity of people can be defined by religion ethnicity, cultural, universal sufferage expressed through Israeli citizenship, art, language or shared common history.

The geniuses who are now self-proclaimed Jewish experts haven't a clue about that. In their world you are black or white not a complex mix of variables.

Let's try use some logic.l If as these Khazar geniuses claim Jews are all converted Khazars according to Zionist principles they are still defined as legitimate Jews with a legitimate claim.

The point though is even simpler. It doesn't take much of a genius to know there are far more Jews then a portion of them that might be descended from Khazar converts.

Ashkenazi Jews European Jews. It does not include all the other types of Jews I listed above. It in fact only is used to describe those Jews who were considered to live in what is sometimes referred to as the"Mitteleuropa" (Germany, Poland, Russia, Scandinavia,Austria, Bohemia and then saw movement of some of these peoples to other parts of Europe and whose common language would have been Yiddish.

The concept that these Ashkenazi Jews are all Khazars is idiotic. In fact genetic studies conducted on Ashkenazi Jews showed from their DNA they have more genetic link to Jews from Yemen, the Assyrian Empire, Sephardic, and Kurdish Jews then they do any other Europeans.

The fact that European Jews may have inter-married or mixed with converts from other religions doesn't magically erase their ancestry. The DNA doesn't magically go poof and disappear.

More importantly it is a pretty idiotic way to define any people-claiming they are a distinct race. There is no such thing. All of us are mutts. The notion that some of us are a pure distinct race is absolute nonsense and it is precisely the kind of racist nonsense assumed by the white supremacists who start these myths in the first place to suggest certain races are more pure and superior to others.

I urge anyone who is interested in understanding why the Khazar myth is just that another anti-semitic canard trotted out by white supremacists and now trotted out by Zionism is racism geniuses go to these web-sites which can help explain it further in easy to understand terms.

http://www.jewishpress.com/printArti...rg/khazars.htm
http://www.imninalu.net/Khazars.htm
http://mideastweb.org/jewreligion.htm

Here is the point. Israelis and Palestinians both make historic claims to the same land and so there is a conflict. Neither is right or wrong.

Anyone trying to exploit the conflicting historic claims for political partisan reasons in my opinion should be challenged and exposed as I try to do.

A rational person would understand that when people have conflicting historic claims, we won't resolve their conflict making up false stories and spreading myths to incite hatred for one side of the conflict.

What is ironic is the person who came on this series of threads to engage in defence of Galloway engages in exactly the same kind of partisan melodrama he engages in.

I think it better to challenge it in the open rather then avoid it.

It is not Galloways words we need to fear.

That said there is a seperate legal issue aside from the freedom of speach issue and that is, he has openly admitted breaking the law and sending support to a terrorist organization and he did not just send medical supplies he sent money to finance the purchase of weapons. He openly admitted this.

This makes him a person who openly is flaunting his breaking both British and Canadian laws.

Under Canadian Immigration laws, the state has a right to exclude from entry anyone suspected of having engaged in or is aiding and abetting crimes.

It is one thing for Mr. Galloway to be a rabid pro Hamas supporter. That is is democratic right. However once he steps over the line and finances terror operations, it is no longer just an issue of freedom of speech.

He was intending to come to Canada to encourage Canadians to raise funds not just for benevolent charities but for the military terrorist wing of Hamas.

Pretending that was not his agenda is as absurd as suggesting all Jews are Khazars.

I see, the usual club comes out... anything that doesn't embrace what "The author of this site upholds:

The legitimate right of all Jews to live in their homeland, Eretz Yisrael, and to possess the whole territory, as it is shown in the map

The exclusive right of the People of Israel to possess the whole city of Yerushalayim." is hate material, is anti-semitic.Yup, anything contrary to the above quote are "myths"! No room for discussion.Of course it has to be false, otherwise it would pull the very rug they are standing on from underneath their feet! Just tell me where are the Palestinians to go then? How come they have no right to the land they have lived on for eons? I freely admit that I have no knowledge, at least not way back down the history lane, about Jews or Khazars... that's what we have the various historians for. Except, historians who do not 100% agree with your line of events are labeled "Revisionists" and are persecuted. If people are labeled and slandered for having a different view of history than the Jews, in this particular case, that raises suspicion and makes people wonder WHY?lol You are so biased against people who don't agree with you! What is wrong with allowing the Palestinians some room on this Earth? What I have recently read, even statements from IDF soldiers, I have to agree with you - Zionism IS evil!
I really don't care whether Jews are Khazars or God's chosen people, I go by their actions, and their actions have been disgusting! Not that I have witnessed it, but I trust the many people who have and report about it. Just as I'm disgusted with the torture of people under the Bush administration; disgusted with the Russians slaughter of Chechens. What the Zionists are doing in Palestine IS wrong! Explain to me, if you can, what is the difference between a Zionist and a Jew? I do admit it befuddles me somewhat, but I believe what we have as the Government in Israel is a Zionist Government, in step with the Conservatives, or better yet, the Neo-Conservatives... an aggressive, war- and power-hungry bunch. That's why I am worried about the Harper Government being cozy with either group. I prefer a gentler and much more diplomatic way of dealing with conflicts. Since you have come this far, why not take the time and explain to me and other ignoramuses the difference, please. Well, didn't it say that 95% were of the Khazar kind? That's an awful lot. Maybe the Orthodox Jews are not Khazars? I don't know much about them, but they are against the Zionist regime in Israel. If the Jews in general would listen to them, there would have been peace for a long time now in Palestine.
So, all these Jewish "races" want to have Palestine back as their homeland? Yes, that is fine with me, but does it have to happen through the eradication of another kind of people? Does it have to be violent? In my opinion it was wrong of England to promise Palestine to the Jews. First of all it was not England's land to give away, and secondly it was done without regard to the Palestinians who lived there. As much as I can understand and promote a "homeland" for the Jews of the world, it should have been given more thought and done with respect for any other people who had to make room. Maybe Palestine was not the best choice, but the Jews absolutely wanted it. If I was a Jew and I had been through the holocaust, had been shunned and persecuted for thousands of years, I very definitely would want to have my own piece of land and feel safe and at home there. But, to put me in the middle of hostile countries, where I had to fight for my existence, that wouldn't be a solution, I would not want that. Yes, yes... humor me, make fun of me! The black-and-white-theory applies to you also very well. You are either with us, or you are against us... can't get more black/white than that!! You assume, thereby making an ass out of you and me!, that I/we are only out to get you, to denounce your rights, to deny you your Palestinian homeland etc. You are wrong! I/we are quite open for discussions and exchange of opinions and observations. Don't belittle me/us, label me/us and, heaven forbid, incarcerate me/us for breathing! I/we have come onto the Jewish scene rather late in life and are simply wondering WHY are there so many conflicting theories and fact representations? Is everybody a liar, except the Jews?Stop the (*)(*)(*)(*) genius insult!
The Khazars converted to Judaism, according to the article. Yes, I agree they are Jews now, but they cannot claim to be the original Jews from Palestine. Even Benjamin Freedman, a high society Jew, agrees with that.

I have to cut here, it's getting too long.

Never underestimate the canucks.

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Part II

Might? Where do the 95% come from then? How did the historians figure that out? I take their word and save myself the trouble of reading their books.I cann't argue there, because I haven't read the books on that and also have no intention, as it doesn't really matter to me. I leave that to the guys who studied it and wrote the books about it. I suppose you have at least one or two links to support your argument? Wouldn't the Jewish historians who wrote the book know and consider all that as well?Well, aren't you Jews guilty of the same idiocy? Claiming to be God's chosen people and all of Palestine belonging to you? If you call others idiots and racists you should first sweep in front of your own door. The way you treat the Palestinians shows me enough how superior you think you are.
I like the "mutt" theory!!! "I'm a mutt, a mutt, a golden mutt!" The first link doesn't work. I read part of the second...seems to be the same as the one I posted. The third link is great, but I've been far too long on the computer - I'll read it later or another time. Not even to a degree? Why did the Jews abandon the land for so long? As it said in my earlier post, you can't leave your country for hundreds or thousands of years and then come back and say, "hey, that's MY country!" You lost your rights to it, because you abandoned it; didn't care for it. So your neighbor took it over and cultivated and nursed it. It's his now! Au Backe! We are getting into political partisanship, and I'm not even a politician, leave alone interested in exploiting the conflict! I think you are slightly poisonous. It's not a harmless exchange of opinions anymore... you are accusing me/us (you never talk to me directly... kind of sly.) of inciting hate. Be careful what you say, Mister Death! I have been naive so far, I think our discussion is over now. Never argue with a Jew... you'll be the loser every time!
Good Bye and good riddance!

Are you seriously trying to present this conspiracy theory site as a legitimate source?

I don't need to take a breath, I am not as afraid of the world as you obviously are but you may take my advice and breath in slowly and go read something a little less extreme.

I get the drift. End of discussion!

Jazz 2 things. Suggesting you can't get through to a web site does not make you any more credible. Whether you can get through to a web site was not my intent. It was to communicate with others who do not know about the topic who might unduly be influenced by you.

In your case you have already made it clear you are an expert on Jewish history, the origins of Jews and believe they are all Khazars. Its par for the course right? Suits your partisan agenda and quite frankly it makes no difference to me other then it is important some of us feel free to debunk or challenge unsubstantiated false hyptheses when we see them.

The Khazar myth is no different then the Protocols of the Elders of Zion one, the blood matzah one, the world conspiracies and illuminati ones-they start off with people who make no effort to find out what the topic is and who will just accept what they read face value.

It is not my mission to change your mind. On the contrary if anything it is simply to offer people reading an alternative view.

That said once again you shot off at the mouth and made a comment stating it as a fact and again showing you are just making it up as you go along.

The decision to bar Galloway from entering the country was not made by a civil servant and you would know that if you understood how the Canadian imigration laws and admissions system works and what the discretionary powers of the Minister of Immigration are.

You are absolutely wrong. It was the Minister's office that made the decision. The Deputy Minister and for that matter the civil servants underneath him could not make such a decision.

More to the point you manifest yet more ignorance suggeting the civil servant wsa "Liberal" and with no substantiation infer "Liberal" partisan politics were behind the decision.

If nothing else your statement is idiotic because again if you bothered to find out what the actual Liberal Party of Canada's views are on such things you would find they would have been far less likely to make such a decision and in fact there is a strong component in the Liberal Party that favours the sentiments of George Galloway to the point where there was a smear campaign at the last Liberal party convention against a candidate with party members walking the floor telling people not to vote for him because his wife was Jewish and so he would be bias in favour of Israel.

Do us all a favour Jazz, try research what it is you think you are an authority on.

If the only thing you can do to try repudiate it is supply yet another subjective and unsubstantiated opinion piece from a hate site, perhaps you should give it a rest until you speak with actual Khazars or people descended from them and stop misrepresenting who they are, what they stand for, and for that matter making absolutely illogical and irrational statements concluding Jews are all one race of people.

Yes next you will tell me all Jews have the same big nose. Been there. Done that.

Here's another hint Jazz. Quoting someone's subjective opinion piece that contains no historic rerferences or corroborated academic references to back up its contentions doesn't establish your allegations-it merely shows you think if you quote someone who engages in the same unsubstantiated subjective stereotypes you do-it must be right.

It is precisely why I provided web-sites to counter your subjective unsubstantiated opinion and its precisely why you have made no effort to counter them with substantiated academic references. You can't. At best all you can do is go to hate sites and find people who reflect the same subjective stereotypes you do.

By the way the hate site Jazz quotes openly supports the KKK, Stormfront, and other white supremacist organizations and no it is not an accident it defends Ernst Zundel a white supremacist who was deported from Canada and the U.S. for his affiliations with white supremacist groups preaching violence against blacks, Jews, Catholics, gays, and on and on.

Thanks... that is good advice and I have exactly been doing that. I may not have hit the jackpot of knowledge, but adding up a variety of information should eventually lead me to what might be something like the true facts. Listen to the 6 tapes of Jack Otto (could be a false name):

Funny, I do a search on Jack Otto and I am pointed to, on most links, Stormfront, a racist site.

How do people become so confused so as to think that in a world where a President cannot hide a blow job in the Oval Office where only two people are involved but they feel these vast conspiracies are taking place and no one can present an ounce of evidence?

We certainly have some people in this world who look for too much meaning to everything around them and like those 2,000 years ago are willing to go to any length to find more than is there.

As though the last link with an article speaking of Ernst Zundel like he is a hero wasn't enough.