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Old 06-01-2009, 08:17 PM
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Immigrants don't have to come here, they have a choice...stay home. .
disagree with that, immigrants aren't complaining about how tough it is here they see an opportunity and will make the most of it...they have no issues coming here with nothing and working their butts off for a better future

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The Natives are kind of stuck in a situation where they are beggars in their own rich land, which our white ancestors stole from them. I once suggested we should offer them one of the provinces, which ever one they would like to have as their own country, something similar to Quebec. Maybe, if they had something to aim for, to make their own to do as they like... perhaps they wouldn't be so depressed and suicidal.
the land wasn't stolen some of it was aquired by same method they themselves used for territorial aquisition among various tribes, you fight to keep what you have and if you can't hold it you move on, these weren't peaceful people they were brutal adversaries who showed each other no mercy, no different than the whites.....and much of Canada was ceded by treaty which they negotiated...giving them a little slice of the big pie is no different than what Israel is doing to the palestinians and is unethical, they are full citizens of the country and deserve to live where ever they please

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And we wouldn't have to feel so guilty. I know, most Whites wouldn't agree to that, but we could start slowly by first giving up portions of land and see how they would manage.
Do the Natives actually have a couple of representatives in the Government? For instance Minister of Indian Affairs should be a Native
we have given up slices of Canada they're called reserves Saskatchewan is giving up urban areas to give them a foothold in more econmically benfical areas...Natives would never agree to Bantustans it's the same as S African Aparthied, do you plan to move west coast, east coast and Quebec tribes to Manitoba, I don't think that's goig to go over well, sounds like ethnic cleansing...
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disagree with that, immigrants aren't complaining about how tough it is here they see an opportunity and will make the most of it...they have no issues coming here with nothing and working their butts off for a better future.
That's how it was a long time ago. Now they come over here and go on welfare or some kind of assistance. Nowadays some come over here to get free medical treatment and consequently disability pension. It's a totally different picture now from the time you and I came over. We had to swim, or sink.
Besides, it is quite different from the Natives. They are the rightful owners of this land. Period!
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the land wasn't stolen some of it was aquired by same method they themselves used for territorial aquisition among various tribes, you fight to keep what you have and if you can't hold it you move on, these weren't peaceful people they were brutal adversaries who showed each other no mercy, no different than the whites.....and much of Canada was ceded by treaty which they negotiated...giving them a little slice of the big pie is no different than what Israel is doing to the palestinians and is unethical, they are full citizens of the country and deserve to live where ever they please.
Look at what is going on in Palestine today. It is a modernday repetition of how the North-American invaders treated the Indians. A completely unequal fight. Your exuse of "treaty" was like a defeated man, lying on the ground, saying yes and amen, because he has no choice.
I agree fully that they are at least equal citizens of this country, but are they treated as such?
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we have given up slices of Canada they're called reserves Saskatchewan is giving up urban areas to give them a foothold in more econmically benfical areas...Natives would never agree to Bantustans it's the same as S African Aparthied, do you plan to move west coast, east coast and Quebec tribes to Manitoba, I don't think that's goig to go over well, sounds like ethnic cleansing...
No, you understood me wrong. It has nothing to do with ethnic cleasing!! I was only suggesting a solution, whether they would want it, is another thing. But, I could imagine that a chunk of land, large and diverse enough, would appeal to them, rather than living scattered on desolete reserves. Of course, some of them might not want to move and are frightened of a new arrangement. They could stay, but without assistance then. Let's say we offered them Manitoba or Alberta, there they would have a chance of making themselves at home again. The difficulty would be to get the Non-Natives out of there. Again, Palestine serves as a mini example. There the settlers put up a fight as Sharon forcefully dismantled their houses. Therefore, it would have to be done over time, a slow and less painful process would have to be implemented.
I think Quebec is a good role model. Why not have another province for the Natives?
Well, I know I'm just dreaming, but I honestly wish to help them.
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That's how it was a long time ago. Now they come over here and go on welfare or some kind of assistance. Nowadays some come over here to get free medical treatment and consequently disability pension. It's a totally different picture now from the time you and I came over. We had to swim, or sink.
you should check out todays immigration procedure, it's not the cakewalk you think it is or as it easy as it was 30yrs ago...if you have a medical issue you'll have a very difficult time getting in...my sister-in-law is trying to get her common law husband in she met overseas, he has no job waiting for him, no skills and no prospect of a job, he's been rejected twice...

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Besides, it is quite different from the Natives. They are the rightful owners of this land. Period! Look at what is going on in Palestine today. It is a modernday repetition of how the North-American invaders treated the Indians. A completely unequal fight. Your exuse of "treaty" was like a defeated man, lying on the ground, saying yes and amen, because he has no choice.
not at all the same, the Palestinians were forced out and are stateless, our natives freely negoiated the treaties and insisted on some of the clauses that are included and are full citizens of our country...our natives have a choice where they want to live, palestinians do not...


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I think Quebec is a good role model. Why not have another province for the Natives?
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Well, I know I'm just dreaming, but I honestly wish to help them.
comendable but unless they help themselves they be in their situation for decades more..
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comendable but unless they help themselves they be in their situation for decades more..
On the reserves the leadership ranges from visionary and competent to just plain criminal. Unfortunately for the residents some of the councils are more like gangs than political organizations. Native reserve residents need to demand responsible leaders and hold them accountable. It's hard to speak up though in some of the communities where band councils and their families behave like mafia.
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On the reserves the leadership ranges from visionary and competent to just plain criminal. Unfortunately for the residents some of the councils are more like gangs than political organizations. Native reserve residents need to demand responsible leaders and hold them accountable. It's hard to speak up though in some of the communities where band councils and their families behave like mafia.
very true but we can't interfer can we....they have to sort that out themselves as well....
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The RCMP Commissioner has said that Tasers should be used as the step before deadly force (gun). In other words they're not to be used to subdue an unarmed suspect. We'll see if that directive is followed or not.

As for Khadr when he was captured he was by definition a child soldier and should have been treated as such. Harper's a coward on this one.
No, he was not a child soldier.
He was a child, but he was not a soldier, by any definition of the word 'soldier'
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Immigrants don't have to come here, they have a choice...stay home. The Natives are kind of stuck in a situation where they are beggars in their own rich land, which our white ancestors stole from them. I once suggested we should offer them one of the provinces, which ever one they would like to have as their own country, something similar to Quebec. Maybe, if they had something to aim for, to make their own to do as they like... perhaps they wouldn't be so depressed and suicidal. And we wouldn't have to feel so guilty. I know, most Whites wouldn't agree to that, but we could start slowly by first giving up portions of land and see how they would manage.
Do the Natives actually have a couple of representatives in the Government? For instance Minister of Indian Affairs should be a Native.
See? The bolded part is your whole problem. You are others like you get blinded by guilt. You then GIVE obscene amounts of money and concessions to the natives who, quite rightly, figure out that the more you complain, the more money and concessions you are going to get - for doing nothing.

That is the problem. When someone else is going to take care of you, you have no sense of pride or responsibility.

And most of the people that profess to 'care' so much for the natives are really just trying to put some balm on their white guilt.
Thank you for being so honest about it.
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On the reserves the leadership ranges from visionary and competent to just plain criminal. Unfortunately for the residents some of the councils are more like gangs than political organizations. Native reserve residents need to demand responsible leaders and hold them accountable. It's hard to speak up though in some of the communities where band councils and their families behave like mafia.
Which are the vast majority.
There are some notable exceptions, mostly in BC.
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No, he was not a child soldier.
He was a child, but he was not a soldier, by any definition of the word 'soldier'
He was a 'child soldier' according to the international agreement that applies, which the US is a signatory to.

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Which are the vast majority.
There are some notable exceptions, mostly in BC.
and my point being that even if they are corrupt there is nothing we can do without being accused of interferring in reserve affairs, it's a no win situation...
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