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Old 06-14-2004, 07:10 AM
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The Supreme Court today voted unanimously that The Pledge will remain teh way it is. They ruled that Newdow, did not have the legal right to speak for his daughter seeing as he does not have custody. They left teh issue alone of whether or not the Actual Phrase Under God was ok. However This was a clear indication they wanted to Not rule on this case at all so they found a way to throw it out. Ill take the win any way i get it
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Old 06-14-2004, 07:14 AM
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Default Nothing wrong with saying "God"

especially since so many of the documents written by the fouding fathers clearly acknowledged that they believed in God. Take the Declration of Independance for example, it's filled with speech about God. Atheists are trying to change this country into what it was never mean to be, and I hope they lose.
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Why can't schools just make a policy saying that if a student doesn't want to say the word "God" in the pledge, then they don't have to or they can choose not to recite the pledge of allegiance. At least that way, people have a choice. The pledge of allegiance is not just about God, it is about our nation and our links to our history. It is tradition, and I don't see a reason to change it for now.

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Why can't schools just make a policy saying that if a student doesn't want to say the word "God" in the pledge, then they don't have to or they can choose not to recite the pledge of allegiance. At least that way, people have a choice. The pledge of allegiance is not just about God, it is about our nation and our links to our history. It is tradition, and I don't see a reason to change it for now.

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It's funny how everyone talks about tolerance of everyone's beliefs, but it seems like most are just trying to push what they believe on others. And both sides are guilty of it on many issues. People seem to use it when it is acceptable to them. I'm not judging anyone, and I'm sure I've been guilty of it too, I'm just making an observation.

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Regardless, no one should be forced to say the pledge. After all, what good is it if you say it half-heartedly?

I support the justices’ ruling. Nothing like a unanimous decision to get the message across.
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It's funny how everyone talks about tolerance of everyone's beliefs, but it seems like most are just trying to push what they believe on others. And both sides are guilty of it on many issues. People seem to use it when it is acceptable to them. I'm not judging anyone, and I'm sure I've been guilty of it too, I'm just making an observation.

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What ticks me off is how the PC crowd is so caught up in how they don't believe that we should have any symbols of Christianity around us, so that we don't offend others who are not Christian. That would be fine if it was not such a double standard.

For instance, in junior high, I remember singing Hunukkah songs for our "Winter Concert". I remember singing "Yule Time" songs (Yule time is derived from a pagan holiday worship) and even singing "Kwanzaa" songs. But Christmas songs? No way, they might offend people. Problem is, who exactly would they offend? the town was 99% Christian. There were a few Jews, and almost no blacks, and those who were certainly did not celebrate Kwanzaa.

It is my understanding that the PC crowd is not after getting rid of all religious symbols so not to offend people. They are after getting rid of Christianity and all that it stands for.
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Default Playing Devils Advocate

But to all those that are religious and think this is stupid.

Just suppose that the pledge said, "One Nation, without God." Would you think that you would want your Christian chilld saying the pledge every day, if that pledge ran against your beliefs?

And as far as the "tradition" arguement. The Phrase "under God" was added in the 50's as part of the cold war rhetoric against the Godless commies. The true tradition of the Pledge is not to have "under God" as part of it.

Personally I think it is not very important of an issue. Certainly nothing I would waste my time sueing someone over. But even though minor, it is wrong to make children pledge to live "under God" in public schools. (btw, my child goes to Catholic school, so obviously I don't have a problem with God, even though I am Athiest.)
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Like I said before, let peole choose whethere or not they want to say "One nation under God". There issue solved. "Choice" isn't it a lovely idea?

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Regardless, no one should be forced to say the pledge. After all, what good is it if you say it half-heartedly?

I support the justices’ ruling. Nothing like a unanimous decision to get the message across.
No one IS forced to say the pledge. That's why the suit was so ridiculous.

Way to go Supreme Court
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