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Old 03-02-2007, 11:24 AM
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Default Social conservatives in action

From opposite ends of the country, two stories that will either make you laugh or simply shake your head.

First, from North Dakota:

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North Dakota's House has agreed to repeal the state's anti-cohabitation law without a vote to spare, and Gov. John Hoeven is expected to sign it.

The law, which makes it illegal for a man and woman to live together without being married, has been part of North Dakota's code since statehood. It is listed as a sex crime among the state's criminal laws.
Okay. Sounds simple enough. Another outdated law removed from the books.

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Representatives voted 48-41 on Thursday to repeal the law. It takes a minimum of 48 votes, which is a majority of the House's 94 members, to approve any measure in the state House.
That's right, the measure barely passed. Forty-one legislators voted to keep it a criminal offense.

The mind boggles.

Next we head south to sunny Largo, Fla., where the city found itself having to make a decision about whether to keep its city manager of 14 years. The sole reason? He wants to have a sex-change operation and become a woman.

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City commissioners ended one of the most tumultuous weeks in Largo history Tuesday night by moving to fire City Manager Steve Stanton following his disclosure that he will have a sex-change operation.

A total of 480 people packed City Hall for a four-hour meeting during which one activist was arrested after police told her not to hand out fliers.

After listening to about 60 speakers, mostly from Largo, a majority of commissioners said they had lost confidence in Stanton's ability to lead.
That's right, fired for wanting a sex-change operation. It'll be interesting if that one survives an anti-discrimination challenge, although his status as a manager makes him more vulnerable to such things, as the "ability to lead" argument shows.

I love the logic of some of the residents who wanted him fired:

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"I don't want that man in office," she said. "I don't think we should be paying him $150,000 a year when he's not been truthful. We have to speak up. Of course, we don't believe in sex changes or lesbianism. They have their rights, but we do, too."
He wasn't "truthful" because he hadn't revealed his gender issue until now. Of course, if he had revealed it, he would have been attacked for "flaunting" his sexuality.

But this one takes the cake:

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"If Jesus was here tonight, I can guarantee you he'd want him terminated. Make no mistake about it."
The speaker? Ron Sanders, pastor of Largo's Lighthouse Baptist Church.
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Old 03-03-2007, 02:46 AM
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Default Hmm

In regards the first.
Equating living together (outside of marriage) with a sex crime is just stupid.

What reason did the 41 geniuses give for keeping it?

And Jesus if were here would probably say something...
such as "Your having a what?"

Evidently being turned into a woman makes you incompetent?
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Funny, but taxpayer dollars paying for sex change operations in San Francisco seem to have passed under Raytri's radar.

With all the deviancy taking place in American culture, I'm encouraged by these two stories. It's comforting knowing there are still a couple of places in America supporting traditional moral behavior.
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Funny, but taxpayer dollars paying for sex change operations in San Francisco seem to have passed under Raytri's radar.
I think that government aid programs in general should be cut and overhauled, but why is there anything worse about paying for SRS than paying for any other procedure that isn't a life or death necessity? Transsexuals have, probably because of prenatal hormones, the wrong bodies for their core brain identities. A transsexual woman, for example, can no more live as a man than you could live as a woman. Suppose you woke up tommorow in a woman's body but with the same mind. That is what transsexuality is. Granted, there are some people who simply have psychological gender issues that can be treated, but actual transsexuals (and there are only a very few of them) have inborn brain idendities that can't be changed. SRS is thus corrective surgery whether it makes you personally uncomfortable or not. A transsexual woman was born a female with the wrong body, and a transsexual man was born a male with the wrong body. A person's true self is in the brain.

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With all the deviancy taking place in American culture, I'm encouraged by these two stories. It's comforting knowing there are still a couple of places in America supporting traditional moral behavior.
So the government should enforce your religion? Why not Islam or Judaism or some form of Christianity other than yours? Why not left-wing political correctness? Legitimate laws apply only to what is necessary to keep society safe, not to what offends your sensibilities or mine. I too consider fornication immoral. I also consider it none of my business and none of the government's.
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http://www.tbnweekly.com/pubs/largo_...107_lle-02.txt

I have absolutely no sympathy for a married man and father who decides late in life to come out of the closet. If you want to lie to yourself, fine, but when you bring other people into your lie, don't expect me to defend you.

Here's a comment from a Largo citizen:
http://www.topix.net/forum/source/wt...7ATT7JI569C47G
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I am a Largo citizen and went to the meeting with an open mind. However, after hearing from people that were not concerned with the gender issue I soon realized Mr. Stanton had to be dismissed. I heard from a US soldier who was told in person by Mr. Stanton at city hall and in a letter signed by him to not wear her US military uniform at city hall because it made people uncomfortable. Didn't he think that a man dressed as a woman wouldn't make others uncomfortable. Ten Largo city employees have also been fired over the past few years due to things they either said or did on their personal time that were not illegal or in no way affected their work performance. Even if Mr. Stanton had no direct involvement with the 10 firings, as CEO I would expect him to be able to see a pattern of "unfair" terminations. It was Mr. Stanton who set the standard for the Town of Largo over the past years and unfortunately, he is now dealing with his own standard. I am sorry but a manager who cannot adhere to the same standards he sets for his employees and apparently fellow citizens is not someone I feel is capable to fill the position of CEO for a town as large as Largo.
Stanton is apparently both a liar and a hypocrite.
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I have absolutely no sympathy for a married man and father who decides late in life to come out of the closet.
Yes, it was very wrong to bring other people into the drama. Then again, Stanton probably wouldn't have engaged in such self-deceit if it weren't for the social stigma of the medical issues.

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Stanton is apparently both a liar and a hypocrite.
That may be true, but if a person is fired for being Black I'll still defend their right to employment even if they are a liar and a hypocrite. I don't see this as any different.
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I live about 40 mins away from Largo and I watched the city council meeting on local TV. The city is actually divided on this whole issue.

The pastor's comment says it all...

Its the return of the Pharisees....
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I have absolutely no sympathy for a married man and father who decides late in life to come out of the closet. If you want to lie to yourself, fine, but when you bring other people into your lie, don't expect me to defend you.
That's a really easy thing to say when you're not on the receiving end of the social stigma. And Stanton's wife has known about this for more than two years, and they've been preparing for it together, though they haven't decided whether to stay together or divorce.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17420981...wsweek/page/2/

The link also notes that Stanton was going to pay for the surgery himself.

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Stanton is apparently both a liar and a hypocrite.
You're basing that on the testimony of one anonymous poster.

If Stanton's job performance was an issue, fine. But the council nor most of the people who commented never really referred to that -- it was all about his upcoming sex-change operation. So best I can tell the only variable here was his coming out of the closet.
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I have absolutely no sympathy for a married man and father who decides late in life to come out of the closet. If you want to lie to yourself, fine, but when you bring other people into your lie, don't expect me to defend you.
That's a really easy thing to say when you're not on the receiving end of the social stigma. And Stanton's wife has known about this for more than two years, and they've been preparing for it together, though they haven't decided whether to stay together or divorce.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17420981...wsweek/page/2/
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Stanton is apparently both a liar and a hypocrite.
You're basing that on the testimony of one anonymous poster.
It's in the first story I posted and there are plenty of other stories about it.
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