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Old 03-29-2008, 01:15 AM
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To: The German Legislator's petition committee

We, the undersigned, believe that is immoral to enshrine History in law.

The German State's reaction to those who wish to provide an alternative narrative for what has become known as the 'Holocaust' is a horrendous misuse of the principles of jurisprudence. The custodial sentences given to Ernst Zuendel, Germar Rudolf, Sylvia Stolz and others are a clear demonstration that nothing has been learned from the past. It is our firm belief that their sentences should be revoked and the law of Germany changed to reflect a real acceptance of the principles of free speech and the marketplace of ideas.

In 'On Liberty' (1859), the British philosopher John Stuart Mill wrote,

"If all mankind minus one, were of one opinion, and only one person were of the contrary opinion, mankind would be no more justified in silencing that one person, than he, if he had the power, would be justified in silencing mankind."

It is a sorry reflection on the German state that it deems it necessary to imprison individuals for nothing more than expressing sincere beliefs. Ironically, it is evocative of the fascism that they so desire to distance themselves from. It is a sign of weakness, of fear and shallow character.
We condemn it utterly.

We believe the time has come for Germany to show some courage. Sixty years of guilt, fear and shame have not allowed the nation to come to terms with its past. The time has come for a 'Realgeschichte' in which truth may be reached through competing narratives. To be afraid of this is to be afraid of the basis of all human knowledge.

Deutschland, wir glauben an Sie.

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The Undersigned

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It an interesting fact to note that those very people which so strongly protested against the burning of books by the Nazis are so quite when it comes to the burning of books by those totalitarian Neo-Marxists currently running Germany. Fact is that the Nazis burned around 7000 different titles in roughly 10 years while the Neo-Marxists that came afterwards burned over 35.000 different books alone in the first year and are still regularly burning books and putting people in prison for expressing their thoughts or conducting historical research. It truly shows the true hypocratic nature of those pseudo human rights advocates. It shows that they are not really interested in Civil Liberties, but that they have an agenda and that so called "Civil Liberties" are just a vehicle, a Trojan horse, used to further their course. In reality, at least the leaders, couldn't care less about things like freedom and liberty, at least that's the impression their highly selective activity turning a blind eye to certain gross human rights violations leaves.

All people and human rights violations are obviously not equal, at least not in the eye's of the human rights hypocrites!


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Personally I believe a lot of Jews died in Hitlers time, that is what I was brought up to believe, that is what I know as true. If however there is evidence to the contrary it needs to be heard, what it will achieve I do not know, but it would need to be heard.

People forget the media and th major journals are if not in the hands of Jews have key peoples who are Jews, their view will tend to be baised, the world war II finished 60 years ago, what do people fear if somebody has evidence to the contrary, because I would like to know thos photos I saw of those naked bodies who where they, or was that just it and it was blown way out of proportion. And of course Jews will say but we have earned it we are talented, that is sheer nonsense, pulling wool over peoples eyes, but I was brought up to believe that the holocaust occured, how come nobody cries for the native american, if Jews have had it so bad how come they could own black slaves, yet they have pushed all the blame about slavery on whites neatly ignoring their part, the mining houses in South Africa, in Southern Africa in general, look I have nothing against Jews, just when people try to slander everyone else by claiming they are the smartest..

Please give evidence, unfortunately in this day and age we can not accept things on faith only on facts.

I do not believe in this day and age when we all believe in equality people should be made to feel guilty as a group, we can pick out and say that person is a racist, It is upto Germans to feel their pride, they have contributed a lot to knowledge of humanity nothing to be ashamed of. I wish I could just talk to people without being judged that way we can all contribute, that actually is the beauty of America, if you want you can contribute, incountries like Canada, France, Spain, Portugal you can not be good unless you know somebody, they will just block you, No WWII is long over, Jews have even been compensated with money, blacks did not even get a cent for slavery colonialsim, thats it, it is finished say what you like.

Look at Jewish control of media, 1997 capitalsim in Russia was called phoney capitalsim, huge oil corporations the size of Exxon where being sold for 10% of the price, of exxon, the major benefactors were Jews. Then suddenly in 2005 when people said you have to pay for this theft it was called anti capitalistic, what the hell was that, then they start talking of anti semitism, but you just robbed Russia, what is going on, so even when a jew does bad to speak is to be anti semetic, I know one person who did a better job than a Jewish economics professor the guy neatly told him you will never be published, but we ask for evidence we just can't say the holocaust was not as big without evidence.
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The problem is that it is not quite finished.

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/775961.html
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Report: Neo-Nazi crime rises in Germany
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Neo-Nazi crime in Germany has risen sharply this year in tandem with the increasing brutality of attacks by rightists, a German newspaper said Tuesday.

Almost 8,000 crimes by the far-right were reported during the first eight months of this year, compared with 6,605 for the same period in 2005, said Berlin's Tagesspiegel paper quoting German Interior Ministry figures provided to a member of parliament.
Do people think that after the war every German decided that the Nazis and Jew hating they had supported earlier were bad? Oh no. And so these laws were implemented to make things difficult for the Nazi's and now the Neo-Nazis.

The world does not fear holocaust deniers because it is worried about them having truth on their side. The holocaust is very well proven.

No the world is worried about them being free to distribute and spread their lies. And the old call that you are better than everyone else, that everything bad about Germany you've ever heard was a lie, that others are holding you down. This is still a powerful message. And those who want to believe will not search for the truth.

The denazification laws are being skirted anyway. They cannot legally display their swastikas. So they have to settle for:



No I really wish that it could be completely over. Most of Germany has admitted to their past mistakes and is moving forward to make a better future. But unfortunitly there have always been some who want to erase the past....so they can repeat it.

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Yep, banning Holocaust deniers is simply misguided.

Doesn't mean the deniers are right; they're loonies or liars. But suppressing them merely gives them a legitimate gripe.
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