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Old 04-10-2008, 02:37 AM
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lol sometimes I agree, Australia has this system, not sure how effective it is.
very only a tiny amount of the population would trade in 500 bucks instead of driving to the nearest school gym on a sunday..
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as for who we let vote everybody who resides in the country should be allowed to vote. Also they all must have access to a poll on voting day ie. no work(public holiday!), close and very easy to access. But the most important part is to make sure they know what there voting for.. this is were it gets complicated...

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Old 04-10-2008, 05:56 AM
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Flying a plane or driving a car: presents physical harm to others if not able to perform.
And voting for the wrong candidates can not do physical harm to others?

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Voting: Our nation was settled, fought for, and founded by dumb farmers. Remove the people's control over their own government and hopefully the people will kill those in the government. It is the people's right to maintain control.
But they don't have control because the majority is to stupid to think for themselves and does what the media tells them to do. Actually being able to vote in not even in their interest because they would be much better off when they would actually leave the voting to those able to make informed choices.

Every elections we get the same lies and empty rhetoric because they are still people stupid enough to actually believe that (*)(*)(*)(*). Stupid and ignorant people making stupid choices are a danger for society and hurt themselves and others and should thus be banned from voting for their own good.

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True. And that is part of an amendment.

"an alteration of or addition to a motion, bill, constitution, etc. a change made by correction, addition, or deletion"

Just because it was written a long time ago doesn't make it necessarily relevant.

Quite the opposite, it was an idealistic opinion written in time spectacularly different from now. (now the world can end at the push of a button)

And that very statement contradicts itself. "Everybody is equal male and female, white or black or Hispanic or Asian..., intelligent or completely moronic"

That's not true in any other aspect of life is it? why should it be relevant in probably the most important?

We all will say "everybody is different" yet in the same breath say "we should treat everybody equally".
equalitiy is relevant. who is to say the government cant tell a group they cant do something? by your logic, most blacks wouldnt be allowed to vote.

the govt. should treat everyone equally. everyone should have the right to vote because everyone should be represented equally.

the key issue is representation. do you think the government should represent you more then someone dumb? if we make it by intelligence, a quarter of the country wouldnt be represented.

besides, only a fraction of us vote anyways and those that vote tent to be smarter then those that dont since they know how important their tight to vote is which, in my mind, makes them fairly smart( at least smart enough to vote).
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your argument as to why even the most ill informed should be allowed to vote.
Maybe you should stop the people who keep misinforming the public from voting?
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What about the right to drive a car or to fly a plain? Actually requiring people to be able before they are allowed to do certain things is not an attack on their right but the standard procedure in most others areas.

Anyone has the right to drive a car as long as he can proof to he is able to do it in a responsible manner, why should it be different with voting? Does everyone has the right to a PhD or only those who can actually proof at least the basic requirements? And is that taking rights away from those who do not get a PhD or simply the logical way things work?
Umm, flying a plane or driving a car is a privilege, not a right. Big difference there buddy.
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Hmm, good point. I belive the state government does. Still, my point is not mute. It's dangerous giving the government too much authority on who can and can't vote.
I was asking not demeaning you lol

Is there a reasonable way to determine who can vote?

Not a loaded question.
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I'm an independent for one thing not a liberal. Just because I think Bush is an incompetent leader doesn't make me liberal, doesn't even exclude me from being republican, I choose to weigh up his actions and determine my own opinion, over blind party loyalty.
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very only a tiny amount of the population would trade in 500 bucks instead of driving to the nearest school gym on a sunday..
I believe that. I mean I'm not sure how effective it is in terms of whether they just vote sarcastically cos they're made to vote.
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Maybe you should stop the people who keep misinforming the public from voting?
I like that. yes we should. The problem is it's us that puts those people where they are.
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Saying they were wrong with slavery and the view on women's rights, yes. And yes, I think the founding fathers did make it ok for any idiot to vote.
That's not what I said though is it.

I said "You really think the founding fathers would've made it ok for any idiot to decide the future of the country in the type of tentative world we live in today?"

Big difference.
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