Also remember that they made it so that any idiot's voice really does not matter.

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I'm not disputing the honor of the original idea I'm saying in today's society it's irrelevant and dangerous. And the level of manipulation put on people by the politicians and media, how free do you think your vote is?

But finally "If you implement such a requirement of intelligence you will only consolidate the power of the rich who have the benefit of better education while the poor dummies get left behind." I agree. Was hoping someone would offer an idea I hadn't heard.

I'm here to learn not be an a**hole.

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"Patriotism is the virtue of the vicious." - Oscar Wilde

"Nothing doth more hurt in a state than that cunning men pass for wise." - Sir Francis Bacon

what needs to be done is there should be a public program that certifies information disseminated in media outlets, so that people can distinguish reliable vs unreliable info. on radio, perhaps an intro of some sort given with reliable info, and on tv maybe a logo shown. and just make it illegal to falsify the certification.

not censorship or disenfranchisement, but a seal of approval of sorts. helping the less fortunate separate good from bad.

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And I still say yes. Everyone has the right to vote. If you take it away from anyone, then it becomes a privileged. Remember the Revolution? No taxation without representation? Idiots need to be represented as well.

Besides, what are the idiots voting for? How do you define an idiot? Anyone who likes an idea opposing yours? Or is there a certain political philosophy you see the idiots following?

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For a people who are free, and who mean to remain so, a well-organized and armed militia is their best security.
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NO! Definitely NOT!

The only people who should be allowed to vote are:

people who are eligible voters
people who have valid and proper ID

People who should not be allowed to vote:

people who have already voted once
people who are retarded
people who are incapacitated (i.e. nursing home patients who think it's 1942, comatose people, brain damaged people)
people who are crazy
people who are felons
people who are illegal aliens
people who are not people (i.e. your dog, cat or other pets)
people who are ficticious (i.e. Peter Pan, Moby Dick, Bart Simpson, daffy duck)
people who are no longer alive (i.e. dead people)

In other words, about 10% of the registered democrat electorate who vote for the democrat party candidates in every election.

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We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity. -- Ann Coulter

that means oligarchy. doesn't it?

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Land mine has taken my sight
Taken my speech
Taken my hearing
Taken my arms
Taken my legs
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No, filling out a ballot does not cause physical harm like driving could.

The rich educated elite would be the ones that are misinforming the poor. Consolidating their power by giving them such control would make it easier for them to oppress the poor uneducated people. This basically would remove all checks and balances to prevent it.

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Hard to tell sometimes, but it was still that was a good point, even if you didnt make it, lol.

Probably is some criteria thats generally used, but I don't know what it is. It seems through history it's been based on some attempt to restrict only those who can be medically recognised as unable to make rational decisions... as in the unconsious, the dead, the mentally retarded, the young, and even women until relative recent history.

In addition, those who have been convicted of a felony. I imagine the rational behind this is mental health and the belief that these people do not have the best wishes for society in mind when they vote. This varies by state as well I believe.

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Hmmm, well I see the person I was responding to was banned.

Well in that case I'll address everyone else.

The talk about everyone having the right to vote and government should not get involved seems to ignore the fact that it's already true. The only place in the constitution that specifically limit the state and federal government's ability to decide who votes is the 15th amendment:

"1. The right of citizens of the United States to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude.

2. The Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation."

In fact, we have many obvious restrictions that few contest... the young, mentally retarded, dead. In the past it included race, "intelligence tests" designed to discriminate against a race, and women. I understand that the states have the right to decide who votes, and I don't know of any restrictions on it beyond the 16th amendment and whatever the state constitution says.

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I think I in my heart agree but cannot find any way to do this without opening a can of worms that will potentially atleast, make things much worse.

Plus, like it was stated earlier. How do you exclude people from the process but yet hold them responsible for doing things like obeying laws or paying taxes that they have no representation in?

I'd rather see a requirement to be educated. Make everyone 18+ go to civics and issue classes, if we could somehow human proof that process. Even the best and brightest will make decesions in error with the wrong information to guide them.