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Old 05-15-2008, 09:59 AM
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For the love of Peter Cottontail, are you kidding? 90% of the war mongers don't know the difference between a shiite and shinola?
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Any LEGAL resident of the country that PAYS taxes should be allowed to vote. All others should not. period.
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Should Just Anyone be Allowed to Vote?
Yes, every tax-paying citizen should be allowed to vote. Educated or dimwitted, young or old, man or woman... everyone who gives the federal government a portion of their earnings should help decide who is spending it.
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It's not necessarally a bad idea to restrict voting, but the question is how you will do it... morons voting might be less risky than allowing the governmen to set up standards on who can vote.

Yes exactly. Why it may not be a bad idea to restrict ignorant people from voting. It just doesn't seem plausible.
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Yes, just anyone should be able to vote. For two reasons.
1. Any "test" to determine who can vote will be arbitrary and biased to the political agenda of those who set it.
2. Voting determines legitimacy. It is more stable for those in power to have support from the masses, regardless of how dumb they may be.
Back in the days of "Jim Crow", literacy tests were used to disenfranchise black voters. As a result, voter literacy tests were outlawed.

Asking biased and arbitrary questions such as, "How many bubbles on a bar of soap?" or "How many grains of sand in an hourglass?" serve no purpose except to disqualify potential voters.

However, considering that more people are familiar with the contestants on "American Idol", than the justices on the Supreme Court - having a voter literacy test might not be such a bad idea.

The only fair, balanced, neutral literacy test I can think of that could be used, is the test used to become a United States citizen.

If you apply for citizenship in the United States, you have to pass the above test. It seems fair and logical to me that if you're going to vote and elect officials, you should be able to demonstrate a working knowledge of how the system operates.

The test I've hyperlinked to is 100 questions. I'd say that if you can't get at least 2/3rd's (66%) correct, you probably shouldn't be allowed to vote.

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Back in the days of "Jim Crow", literacy tests were used to disenfranchise black voters. As a result, voter literacy tests were outlawed.

Asking biased and arbitrary questions such as, "How many bubbles on a bar of soap?" or "How many grains of sand in an hourglass?" serve no purpose except to disqualify potential voters.

However, considering that more people are familiar with the contestants on "American Idol", than the justices on the Supreme Court - having a voter literacy test might not be such a bad idea.

The only fair, balanced, neutral literacy test I can think of that could be used, is the test used to become a United States citizen.
Just like requiring a test for voting would violate a right, so would be requiring a test to own a firearm, or a test to have children.

The answer is not more tests, it is us as the individual, holding others to a higher standard. If we as a people are unable to bring the rest of our people together then the America experiment will fail. Government will not solve this problem. Neither will tests or classes.

That will not happen until we start, as a people, holding others to the same standard that we set for ourselves.

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If you apply for citizenship in the United States, you have to pass the above test. It seems fair and logical to me that if you're going to vote and elect officials, you should be able to demonstrate a working knowledge of how the system operates.
Moving from one country into this one is not a right. Your logic is flawed.

The bottom line? Hold the individual who makes the decision, responsible for their actions.
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For the love of Peter Cottontail, are you kidding? 90% of the war mongers don't know the difference between a shiite and shinola?
Is there any true difference?

Isn't it like Presbyterian and Lutheran? Same religion just different rules?
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The bottom line? Hold the individual who makes the decision, responsible for their actions.
In 1976 I voted for Jimmy Carter.
In 1980 I voted for Ronaldus Maximus
In 1984 I voted for Ronaldus Maximus again.
In 1988 I voted for the Shrub's father.
In 1992 I voted for the little guy from Texas.
In 1996 I couldn't vote in good conscience for either candidate.
In 2000 I voted for the Shrub.
In 2004 I held my nose and voted for the Shrub again.

So I guess I'm responsible for the Iran hostage crisis, Ollie North, "No new taxes!", NAFTA, Monica, and the Iraq war...

However, I don't think it's asking too much for a prospective voter to demonstrate a little knowledge of how the system operates.
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Is there any true difference?

Isn't it like Presbyterian and Lutheran? Same religion just different rules?
I rest my case!

Shinola isn't a religion, it's a boot polish company!


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I agree with the thread starter, I think it is neither a good idea nor beneficial for democracy to let every virtually every moron vote. The one moron one vote thing is horrible! People that can neither name nor find the 5 continents on a map for example should not be allowed to vote.

I mean we do not let people drive a car or fly an air plane which are unable to, why should we allow people to vote which are clearly unable to make an informed decision? We have driver licenses and I believe that a kind of "voter license" people get by proving at least basic knowledge and understanding in matters of politics and economics would be a great idea to restore some meaning to elections.
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