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Old 04-09-2008, 03:49 PM
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Should Just Anyone be Allowed to Vote?

If someone can't find the United States on a map, should they be allowed to vote?

We don't let just anyone pick who's allowed to be a surgeon, why don't we have the same standards (or indeed better) for selecting the president?. After all a surgeon can only kill one person at a time but a bad president can kill, well potentially, everyone.

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I'm an independent for one thing not a liberal. Just because I think Bush is an incompetent leader doesn't make me liberal, doesn't even exclude me from being republican, I choose to weigh up his actions and determine my own opinion, over blind party loyalty.
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yes. it should be illegal not to vote.
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lol sometimes I agree, Australia has this system, not sure how effective it is.

But anyway at least give your argument against it.
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my argument against everyone being allowed to vote?
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I agree with the thread starter, I think it is neither a good idea nor beneficial for democracy to let every virtually every moron vote. The one moron one vote thing is horrible! People that can neither name nor find the 5 continents on a map for example should not be allowed to vote.

I mean we do not let people drive a car or fly an air plane which are unable to, why should we allow people to vote which are clearly unable to make an informed decision? We have driver licenses and I believe that a kind of "voter license" people get by proving at least basic knowledge and understanding in matters of politics and economics would be a great idea to restore some meaning to elections.
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It's not necessarally a bad idea to restrict voting, but the question is how you will do it... morons voting might be less risky than allowing the governmen to set up standards on who can vote.
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my argument against everyone being allowed to vote?
your argument as to why even the most ill informed should be allowed to vote.
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It's not necessarally a bad idea to restrict voting, but the question is how you will do it... morons voting might be less risky than allowing the governmen to set up standards on who can vote.
Very good. This is the one problem with the idea. Who says who can and can't vote?
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Very good. This is the one problem with the idea. Who says who can and can't vote?
That's not the only problem with the idea. The phrase " All men are created equal..." kinda pops into my mind here. It means that everyone, male and female, white or black or hispanic or asian..., intelligent or completely moronic, all get to have the same rights here. That includes voting.
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That's not the only problem with the idea. The phrase " All men are created equal..." kinda pops into my mind here. It means that everyone, male and female, white or black or hispanic or asian..., intelligent or completely moronic, all get to have the same rights here. That includes voting.
True. And that is part of an amendment.

"an alteration of or addition to a motion, bill, constitution, etc. a change made by correction, addition, or deletion"

Just because it was written a long time ago doesn't make it necessarily relevant.

Quite the opposite, it was an idealistic opinion written in time spectacularly different from now. (now the world can end at the push of a button)

And that very statement contradicts itself. "Everybody is equal male and female, white or black or Hispanic or Asian..., intelligent or completely moronic"

That's not true in any other aspect of life is it? why should it be relevant in probably the most important?

We all will say "everybody is different" yet in the same breath say "we should treat everybody equally".
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