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Old 06-23-2004, 01:34 PM
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To further the devil's advocacy of this topic, what about the draft. That is an even better example of this so called "slavery"

Many counties (although most are moving away from it) still have compulsory military service requirements for young men.

Seems to me like this could be a gross human rights violation.

As another note, one of the basic principles of government is to maintain the order and safety of its citizens. As a general principle, (basic theory, I am not trying to get into this inevitable arguement) educated citizens result in a more "civilized" country. Therefore, governments can justify a forced education. Just like they can justify prisons and mental insitutions (also human rights violations).
I see your point, but going by your own interpretation of what a government can justify in the name of peace, couldn't they justify military service as keeping the peace?
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Hmmm, good point. Then again they can also justify locking us all up in concentration camps as keeping the peace too.

What it comes down to is who is saying what is good for you and what isn't. What is fair to force people to do and what is not fair. It is all relative.
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I always looked at school as the keeper and protector of our citizen's children while the parents worked. Why should a child be free to do as it pleases at school because it is a government run building when he/she has not that freedom at home? Years ago it worked because the values of the parents were equal with that of the schools. When Parenting skill was at its height in the beginning of the 20th century, morality was understood to not be defined by individual choice. People knew right from and wrong as did the school. If the school called and said your child was misbehaving, parents took the side of the school because adults were adults and not older children. Today, morality and principle has been perverted which people will cal' "Diversified". Because of this, public schools are becoming less and less capable of doing anything. It's a (*)(*)(*)(*) shame. Personally, I don't know what I'm gonna do when I have kids. I predict I won't be able to send them to a private school which are SOOOOO much better. The system sucks. It no longer upholds it original purposes. Oh well, to the moon, alice.
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School is legal I'm afraid. Even if what you say about the human rights act is right, domestic law takes priority over the human rights act. As it is very clearly written that not going to school is illegal in many statutes, the judges cannot "linguistically strain" the intepretation of that statute to be compatible with the European convention of human rights. So all they can do is make a declaration of incompatibility.

There is a convention that any such declaration will require a rewriting of the law. However, conventions are enforced only by public opinion / outrage and I seriously doubt there will be much public outrage against a politician saying, "incompatible with HRA or not, compulsary education stands".

But it is an intesting discussion about wither education is legally slavery.
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The Declaration of human rights also includes theright to an education, making the acts, opinion on education quite clear.

Also, slavery is using some one else for economic gain. School does not quite fall into that group, does it?

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I always looked at school as the keeper and protector of our citizen's children while the parents worked. Why should a child be free to do as it pleases at school because it is a government run building when he/she has not that freedom at home? Years ago it worked because the values of the parents were equal with that of the schools. When Parenting skill was at its height in the beginning of the 20th century, morality was understood to not be defined by individual choice. People knew right from and wrong as did the school. If the school called and said your child was misbehaving, parents took the side of the school because adults were adults and not older children. Today, morality and principle has been perverted which people will cal' "Diversified". Because of this, public schools are becoming less and less capable of doing anything. It's a (*)(*)(*)(*) shame. Personally, I don't know what I'm gonna do when I have kids. I predict I won't be able to send them to a private school which are SOOOOO much better. The system sucks. It no longer upholds it original purposes. Oh well, to the moon, alice.
did you just refer to a child as an "it"? wow, that's sensitive. A child has just as much though capability as you do. If they are forced into something they will not do half so well. offer it as a choice, I think you would be surprised at how many would choose to go.
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There are better "Thought Experiments" to occupy your mind but try this. First of all, education is not "Forced Labor". You can not force someone to learn and it is not Slavery to be ordered to appear at an activity. Slavery must benefit the Slave Holder economically, never the Slave. Therefore education can not be Slavery.
Also, it is recognized by all civilizations and therefore the Courts that all Societies must pass the skills needed for successful life down to the next generation for the Society to survive and progress. 5,000 years ago, the Village Men would take the 11 year old boys out to the hunt and teach them how to kill a Mammoth so the youth would not have to learn the hard way without the benefit of the Elders experience. Mothers would teach their daugjhters to spin yarn (I think) and plant at the correct time. Imagine if every generation had to RE-Learn EVERYTHING without the past experience of others. Society would collapse, medicine and other things would never move forward and there wouldn't be any Global Warming. What fun would that be?
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The law also make a distinction between minors and adults extending protection (such as statutory rape) and lesser punishment for crimes committed to minors. Correspondingly, minors are accorded less civil rights. I guess this is fair
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The human rights act forbids slavery in all its forms, as i see it a slave is a person who is forced to do a task with no choice and no pay. So I started to wonder, what is a student if not a young individual who is forced into doing a task with no choice and no pay and a punishment if the expected level is not attained (although they are not as severe as they once were).

Please do not reply saying that schooling is good for the nations youth, i do not dispute that, I am one of those who it is currently benifitting but i still feel that it would be interesting to find out how legal school actually is, I will be looking it up and posting it here ASAP.
It is not slavery because the student can choose to not do the work, and accept a bad grade. Also parents can pull their child out, so it isn't forced on them eather
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