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Old 03-22-2008, 07:53 PM
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The human rights act forbids slavery in all its forms, as i see it a slave is a person who is forced to do a task with no choice and no pay. So I started to wonder, what is a student if not a young individual who is forced into doing a task with no choice and no pay and a punishment if the expected level is not attained (although they are not as severe as they once were).

Please do not reply saying that schooling is good for the nations youth, i do not dispute that, I am one of those who it is currently benifitting but i still feel that it would be interesting to find out how legal school actually is, I will be looking it up and posting it here ASAP.

You're not a person per se... As a kid I mean. Its best for you to do as your told and "be good and learn," until such time that you reach what ever arbitrary legal threshold is present at the time which makes you a free sovereign.

School, in anfd of itself is legal... of that there is no question. What may is questionable in my mind is the adle-minded leftist indoctrination you're being subjected to; this on the presumption that you're matriculating in a government school.
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Everywhere where a man is against his will there he is in prison! Compulsory schooling is indeed questionable!
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You're not a person per se... As a kid I mean. Its best for you to do as your told and "be good and learn," until such time that you reach what ever arbitrary legal threshold is present at the time which makes you a free sovereign.

School, in anfd of itself is legal... of that there is no question. What may is questionable in my mind is the adle-minded leftist indoctrination you're being subjected to; this on the presumption that you're matriculating in a government school.
To clarify... when someone is a child they don't have the same rights as adults because they are too young to do what is best for them. That is why legal gaurdians exist, to watch over and control a child's life. That is also why young people can't vote and somewhat related to how children basically have to do what their parents say.

but don't yell at the guy, that is an interesting question
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If the legality of this is in question, it pulls all sorts of things into question with regard to children. As is, we do not recognize children as full persons, and this is why we do not give them full rights. If we did, there would be all sorts of legal repercussions:

- forcing children to attend school would be illegal, I agree

-We would be forced to give every child physically capable of writing on a ballot the right to vote

-Parents would no longer have custody of their children because that would be false imprisonment.

- Parents would no longer be required to care for their children to the age of 18 for the same reason listed above.

- all children too young to work would receive medical disability checks from social security.

Right now the states have the right to decide the age of maturity, though I'm not sure how this works constitutionally ( I see no age discrimination clauses in the constitution ) But as is, the states have this right, so unless this is overturned, I vote we send our children to the sweat shops and get some use out of them before they're 18.
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The human rights act forbids slavery in all its forms, as i see it a slave is a person who is forced to do a task with no choice and no pay. So I started to wonder, what is a student if not a young individual who is forced into doing a task with no choice and no pay and a punishment if the expected level is not attained (although they are not as severe as they once were).

Please do not reply saying that schooling is good for the nations youth, i do not dispute that, I am one of those who it is currently benifitting but i still feel that it would be interesting to find out how legal school actually is, I will be looking it up and posting it here ASAP.
Well, education is important. Anyone named Billy Bob is proof of that. Do you realize the restrictions on parents who want to home school? The state mandates that children are forced into public education institutions, must conform to certain policies and be subject to indoctrination into elitist mindsets.
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Of course a school is against the civil rights acts. i mean seriously, school personnel are typically as close to commie as most americans get.
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Do you have the right to remain ignorant? I don't know if this is answerable. I guess it depends on how much value you place on individual rights vs the good of the collective.

It benefits us all to live in an educated society, but a focus on individual rights would lead to the conclusion that it might be "wrong" somehow to force a person to learn.

At a certain point, I think we need to cut our losses with those who are overly selfish and who choose not to contribute to the survivability of the collective. I mean the rest of us are working hard to maintain our infrastructure, our roads and bridges, our sewer and power lines, cable, internet, etc. And then we have the few idiots who refuse to lift a finger, to even think, refuse to even fire off a single neuron in their brains. Refusing to contribute to the necessary survivability of the collective is a crime against humanity. You can't enjoy the benefits without at least making an honest effort to contribute.
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Do you have the right to remain ignorant? I don't know if this is answerable. I guess it depends on how much value you place on individual rights vs the good of the collective.

It benefits us all to live in an educated society, but a focus on individual rights would lead to the conclusion that it might be "wrong" somehow to force a person to learn.

At a certain point, I think we need to cut our losses with those who are overly selfish and who choose not to contribute to the survivability of the collective. I mean the rest of us are working hard to maintain our infrastructure, our roads and bridges, our sewer and power lines, cable, internet, etc. And then we have the few idiots who refuse to lift a finger, to even think, refuse to even fire off a single neuron in their brains. Refusing to contribute to the necessary survivability of the collective is a crime against humanity. You can't enjoy the benefits without at least making an honest effort to contribute.
which is why welfare should be abolished and the death penalty embraced.
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which is why welfare should be abolished and the death penalty embraced.
Along with Social Security, Medi-Cade, Medi-Care, National Endowment of the Arts, PBS and other things. Everything should be put on the states shoulders and let the people of the states decide.
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Along with Social Security, Medi-Cade, Medi-Care, National Endowment of the Arts, PBS and other things. Everything should be put on the states shoulders and let the people of the states decide.
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