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Did you apologize to ..... , and the maple trees for sucking syrup out of them?
Ha ha ha - class act
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Oh dear! Thanks for the heads up then

You know, it's funny - all the people here who bang on about the compensation issue on this subject (which I might add, was ruled out by the government before the apology was made - mistakenly, I believe, but there you have it) can never, ever answer any question put to them about how compensation would affect their lives and why they are are against compensation for the Stolen Generations but seem to have no problems with any other compensation lawsuits no matter how frivolous.

It's endemic in this country how people automatically begrudge our Aboriginal people just about anything that might benefit them, and then condemn them in the same sentence for never wanting to `better themselves'. Astonishing.

Well he/she did mention about not wanting their "tax dollars" being spent on compensation, and I guess that is where the funds would come from?

I do accept the point that there are disadvantaged people today due to past Governemt policies.
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I suppose some people may resent that but I'd be quite happy for my tax dollars to go to such a worthy cause. We are in a $30 billion surplus - it's not like we don't have the money.

Some of our tax money goes to supporting our legal system no matter who makes compensation claims - I have much more of a problem with people making bogus claims for compensation than for people who clearly are deserving of it.

I tell you what - if my child had been physically ripped from my arms because it was decided that my blood was in need of cleansing (luckily for me I was born with white skin but both my parents were European migrants) and then shipped off to probable abuse and / or slavery then you can (*)(*)(*)(*) well bet I'd deserve compensation for it.

The funny thing is, there haven't really been any indigenous calls for compensation since the apology - just a lot of ridiculous hype by selfish, mean-spirited white Australians.

And oh yeah, `disadvantaged' is about the most colossal understatement when it comes to the plight of our indigenous people. The vast majority live in what have been termed as worse than third world conditions. For a progressive first world Western nation that is an unforgivable disgrace.
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And oh yeah, `disadvantaged' is about the most colossal understatement when it comes to the plight of our indigenous people. The vast majority live in what have been termed as worse than third world conditions. For a progressive first world Western nation that is an unforgivable disgrace.
Of course it would be crass of me to say that the Aboriginal living conditions weren't any better now than before Captain Cook landed at Botany Bay.

Is it true that the Aboriginal people were classed by the Australian State as "flora and forna" upto the 1960's?
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Ha ha ha - class act
And a prime minister engaging in public masochistic mental masturbation - is that a class act?
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The idea of people apologizing for what they haven't done, besides being absurd, carries with it all kinds of potential mischief. One may regret bad things that happened in the past in one's country, but one owes an apology ONLY for what one has done.
Or what one benefits from, I think. Or aids, or supports, or condones, even by silence.
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Or what one benefits from, I think. Or aids, or supports, or condones, even by silence.

Or in the case of 99.9% of the people of australia, has nothing to do with.
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Of course it would be crass of me to say that the Aboriginal living conditions weren't any better now than before Captain Cook landed at Botany Bay.

Is it true that the Aboriginal people were classed by the Australian State as "flora and forna" upto the 1960's?
They are much worse off now than when Captain Cook landed at Botany Bay. Back then, they were living as they had always lived for tens of thousands of years in their own country; with freedom, their own land, their own traditions, a rich and diverse culture, an affiliation with their land and each other, several different tribes, communities, languages and boundaries, no abuse or injustice from an oppressive ruling class, alcoholism or substance abuse, deaths in custody, discrimination, sexually transmissable diseases...the list goes on.

The statistics on how they live today are staggering. It's truly a very desperate, tragic situation.

One sentence from the legislation mandating forcible and automatic removal of children from their children illustrates one of the many issues we have to be sorry for:

"this Act is…one of biological as well as cultural assimilation and depends firmly on the control of the breeding habits of those who were ostensibly in the process of becoming ‘more European’"

Breeding habits??? Seriously?

And yes, up until the 1967 referendum when Aboriginals first won the right to be named citizens of their own country, they were classed as Australian native flora and fauna and had a portfolio named as such under the Commonwealth Government.

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Or in the case of 99.9% of the people of australia, has nothing to do with.
Are you suggesting that the plight of and responsibility for our indigenous people has nothing to do with any of us? Especially considering that we still have several thousand indigenous people who were part of the Stolen Generations and whose lives and living situations are still directly affected by it?
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No, not on this debate. So it seems your contributions have been nothing more than a ploy to get my attention? Wow. I should be flattered, but somehow I'm not...
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