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Default Subpoenas in AIPAC Spy Case Could Help Awaken US Troops

Subpoenas in AIPAC Spy Case Could Help Awaken US Troops On Who They're Really Fighting For

by Robert L. Johnson

November 9, 2007

Paul Wolfowitz, the first person to suggest to George W. Bush that the US use the 9/11 attacks as an excuse to remove an old enemy of Israel--Iraq--is among those who will receive subpoenas to give their testimony in the ongoing and under-reported case of two American Israel Public Affairs Committee employees, Steve Rosen and Keith Weissman. Rosen and Weissman are accused of conspiring to receive and disclose classified US defense information over a five year period from 1999 to 2004. In addition to neoconservative former Defense Secretary Wolfowitz, current Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, former Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage, former Undersecretary of Defense Doug Feith and 11 other former and current high ranking government officials and neocons will receive subpoenas to give their testimony that it is standard operating procedure for US government officials to work closely with AIPAC and the Israel lobby.

The judge made public his decision to issue the subpoenas last Friday, November 2, 2007. To date, I haven’t seen this important decision mentioned on any electronic news sources. I’ve only seen it online and in mostly Jewish sources. According to the Jewish Telegraphic Agency, the global news service of the Jewish people, if the subpoenaed neocons and government officials do give their testimony, “they could end up shedding unprecedented light on the Bush administration’s inner workings and the government’s dealings with the pro-Israel lobby.” If this happens, and if the media gives it the attention they are morally obligated to give it, but never do, those who fill the ranks of the government’s military machine, as well as all Americans, will see how the government really works! They will see a very obedient herd of gutless politicians serving their masters regardless of the cost to their constituents and country.

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Huge leaps in bad logic:

Just because a politician supports the nation of Israel or even if they are Jewish themselves doesn't automatically mean that their master is Israel and they are the slaves.

We deserved the attack on 9-11 because we march in blind obedience to the whims of Israel.


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Huge leaps in bad logic:

Just because a politician supports the nation of Israel or even if they are Jewish themselves doesn't automatically mean that their master is Israel and they are the slaves.
You either support it or you don't. You either want to send them weapons - which they will use as they see fit - or you don't.

Your "logic" is what's bad. They may not be slaves, but they de facto condone everything Israel does by throwing money and weapons at their government.

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We deserved the attack on 9-11 because we march in blind obedience to the whims of Israel.
Bin Laden specifically stated that U.S. support of Israel was one of the three reasons why they declared jihad and why the U.S. was attacked. Why do you want to ignore the truth and claim we were attacked because "they hate us for our wealth and freedom."?
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Default it's about FREAKIN' time!!!!!!!!

Good show!!!

Three cheers for Congress!!!

YES!!!!!

It's about time these miscreant freakin' idiots with divided loyalties got strung up by the balls and hung upside down from the nearest oak tree.

And the, we got clowns like this, who don't even want to investigate a blatant and repeated national security violation, involving public servants of the People of the United States selling millitary secrets to foreign governments:

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This crap is just infuriating.

And these are the same (*)(*)(*)(*) clowns, who keep trying to convince me they're somehow "Patriotic".

And they're always pointin' fingers at the Dems for "hating America".....

Right?

What a bunch of clueless dangerous freakin' idiots.....

These people have sold their soul to the devil.

That's what I've been telling you guys from day one, right?

Here you have perfect freakin' evidence, and it saddens me to say that I can find this stuff "anywhere I look", 'cause there's a crazy freakin' Neo-Con on every god(*)(*)(*)(*) street-corner....

Argh.....

Nah, you clowns need to step out of the way and let someone with half a brain take a crack at it for a while.
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Here you have perfect freakin' evidence, and it saddens me to say that I can find this stuff "anywhere I look", 'cause there's a crazy freakin' Neo-Con on every god(*)(*)(*)(*) street-corner....

Perfect evidence about what? This is a case of two American Israel Public Affairs Committee employees that have been accused of disclosing classified information. You guys have been celebrating when the New York Times has published classified info. If they did this then lock them up for a long time.

There are some neocons, such as Wolfowitz, who have been asked to testify in this case. We don't even know what their testimony is supposed to be about. The article tries to imply because they are testifying they must be guilty of something and then leaps to wild conclusions suggesting our complicity with Israel is why we deserved 9-11.

What 9-11 has to do with two Public Affairs Committee employees disclosing classified info is such a massive leap in illogic.
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Well, glitch, it occurs to me that maybe you really don't know about this stuff.

Mm.... well, let's see, the landscape "I" see on this one, is a little frightening.

Here, lemme post a little info for you, just as a "place to start", and I'm sure if you surf around on the 'net a little, you'll see "very quickly" that this stuff leads right to AIPAC's front door....

The key figures here, are none other than the Neo-Cons, and also their "bosses", Rummy and Cheney.

Three of the main Neo-Con foreign policy architects, Wolfowitz, Perle, and Feith, are all being investigated by the FBI for alleged national security violations. This investigation is going on right now (ie it's different from the one that happened back in the 80's, which is equally as serious, but it's a whole separate deal, a whole separate "instance") -

So, for instance, you gotta do a little investigating on this guy Feith:

"Feith's access to classified information and his alleged wrongdoing can likely be laid at the feet of more senior officials in the Bush Administration -- namely Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld -- who would have had to have overruled Pentagon background checks to reissue Feith's clearances after he was booted from the National Security Council for allegations of espionage in the mid 1980s. "

And then, there's Wolfie, who's still in the middle of this whole issue with his girlfriend Shaha Riza, and there's till allegations floatin' around that she's a spy and all that.. And Perlie... well, just Google under "Perle FBI" and see what you get....

And yeah - what you'll find, is you'll see this "information" on all the radical sites, right? Front-page, like, on "both" the David Duke site and the Lyndon LaRouche site, right? But there's like "one" story from the LA times, from back in 2005, and so on.... but then, to find out what information is actually credible and what isn't, you need to look for the particular places where people have pulled stuff using the Freedom of Information Act. Look for that, and that'll kinda give you a feel for what's credible and what's not.

Yeah, I mean, this has been going on for a long time, and repeatedly, there are "many examples". There are even people sittin' in jail right now over this very thing. So, I mean, this, to me, is just another example of the Bushie pattern around "expediency" - he just waves his hands over the rules and protocols, just 'cause it's "expedient" to do so.

You know, the "Bushie logic" around this thing would be, "well, Israel's our ally anyway, so what does it matter"? Right?
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And yeah - what you'll find, is you'll see this "information" on all the radical sites, right? Front-page, like, on "both" the David Duke site and the Lyndon LaRouche site, right? But there's like "one" story from the LA times, from back in 2005

Thanks but no. I have found conspiracy sites to be highly unreliable and have bizarre logic, such as the strange article that started this thread. It makes all kinds of leaps in logic, unable to demonstrate any except that two American Israel Public Affairs Committee employees have been accused of disclosing classified information and some neocons are being questioned about it therefore I should vote for Ron Paul.
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And yeah - what you'll find, is you'll see this "information" on all the radical sites, right? Front-page, like, on "both" the David Duke site and the Lyndon LaRouche site, right? But there's like "one" story from the LA times, from back in 2005

Thanks but no. I have found conspiracy sites to be highly unreliable and have bizarre logic, such as the strange article that started this thread. It makes all kinds of leaps in logic, unable to demonstrate any except that two American Israel Public Affairs Committee employees have been accused of disclosing classified information and some neocons are being questioned about it therefore I should vote for Ron Paul.
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Huge leaps in bad logic:

Just because a politician supports the nation of Israel or even if they are Jewish themselves doesn't automatically mean that their master is Israel and they are the slaves.
You either support it or you don't. You either want to send them weapons - which they will use as they see fit - or you don't.

Your "logic" is what's bad. They may not be slaves, but they de facto condone everything Israel does by throwing money and weapons at their government.

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We deserved the attack on 9-11 because we march in blind obedience to the whims of Israel.
Bin Laden specifically stated that U.S. support of Israel was one of the three reasons why they declared jihad and why the U.S. was attacked. Why do you want to ignore the truth and claim we were attacked because "they hate us for our wealth and freedom."?
So what have you proven besides the fact that you agree with the terrorists and sympathize with them? Nothing. And the terrorists hate all western society because they stand in the way of a world in which Islamic Sharia law is enforced.
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