Thread: My advice to conspiracy theorists

Originally Posted by Scott

(from post #54)

The proof that the moon missions were faked is as clear as the proof that 9/11 was an inside job.
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/show...64&postcount=1

Sorry I haven't got around to answering this post, I've been on vacation. Well I took a look at the link and got a good laugh. I think the best response is this XKCD comic:



As my buddy Bill says, "Jesters do oft prove prophets.".

Sorry I haven't got around to answering this post, I've been on vacation. Well I took a look at the link and got a good laugh. I think the best response is this XKCD comic:

Are you going to be like sparky2 and just spout rhetoric and refuse the analyze the evidence? Here's some of the evidence that Sparky2 refused to analyze.
My advice to conspiracy theorists

Let's hear your analysis of it.

Just to clarify, Scott, and perhaps I will have to reiterate some of my earlier advice to you in the process;

I refuse to become engaged with anybody, on any web forum, who so clearly and desperately needs psychological help.
It's like arguing with a drunk, an addict, or a wee child.
There's not much point in it.

I am proud of you for learning big-boy words though.
'Rhetoric' is a seriously powerful big-boy word.

It is a noun, of course, and it is pronounced, /ˈretərik/ .
1. The art of effective or persuasive speaking or writing, esp. the use of figures of speech and other compositional techniques
2. Language designed to have a persuasive or impressive effect on its audience, but is often regarded as lacking in sincerity or meaningful content
Example: "all we have from the opposition is empty rhetoric".

If I were to choose to lower myself to the 'nanny-nanny-boo-boo level of intellectual discourse, and actual argue with you over the moon-landing nonsense (or God forbid, the '911 was an inside job' idiocy),
trust me,
what I would destroy you with would not be empty rhetoric.

The reality is, your delusional fantasies are not only false and beneath me (or any reasonably-educated person for that matter), they are idiotic.
Fantastic.
Absurd.
Childish.

Get it?
Good. Now, step away from the computer, pack yourself an overnight bag, kiss your mommy goodbye, and check yourself into the nearest mental health facility.

There is still help for you, and I have high hopes that you will recover and will become a productive member of society.
They have come a long way in the arena of psychoanalysis, and they have some really good therapeutic drugs.

I am pulling for you, and I will cross my fingers and hope that all goes well for you.

:hugs:

..and if you are reluctant to go to a County Mental Health facility, I can understand.

Listen;
Just to show you how sincere I am (and bear in mind I have been a leader, counselor, mentor, and advisor at many levels for many years) I will reiterate my offer to counsel you personally.

Just call me on my personal cell, any time of the day or night.
256-679-5567

I care about you that much.

Just to clarify, Scott, and perhaps I will have to reiterate some of my earlier advice to you in the process;

I refuse to become.........therapeutic drugs.

I am pulling for you, and I will cross my fingers and hope that all goes well for you.

:hugs:

People of normal intelligence can see what's going on here but I'd better post this info in case there are any young teenagers who are confused.

http://www.opposingdigits.com/forums...pic.php?t=1222
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1) They never actually discuss issues head on or provide constructive input, generally avoiding citation of references or credentials. Rather, they merely imply this, that, and the other. Virtually everything about their presentation implies their authority and expert knowledge in the matter without any further justification for credibility.
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(post #34)
My advice to conspiracy theorists

What we have here is a cornered sophist. When a government-paid sophist is cornered, he usually plays games and tap dances around until the issue blows over and then goes on as if nothing had happened. The proof that 9/11 was an inside job and that the Apollo moon missions were faked is crushing.
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=144487
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=144746

Anyone who tries to obfuscate this clear proof just ends up looking silly so a lot of them just refuse to do it and tap dance around.

A cornered sophist?
Not at all, but you tell yourself whatever it is that makes you feel better about yourself, Scott.

Your happiness is what's at stake here, I guess.

Since you firmly believe all this nonsense, and I (as an educated man of science and reason) am NEVER going to believe any of it, then let's narrow the discussion to your happiness, and how it is that we can achieve a higher state of it.

First, tell me just a little bit about yourself.
Happy childhood?
How were your grades?
Did other kids pick on you, and call you belittling names?

These questions may seem a bit invasive, but trust me, if I am to help you at all I really need to know more about your background, and what exactly it was that made you what you are today.

My concern for you is genuine, so don't put up walls, okay?

Heh heh heh.

I just noticed, and I apologize for missing it earlier;
Young Mister Scott actually referred to me as a 'government-paid sophist'.

Scott, seriously?
The Federal Government, which cannot submit or pass a budget for the past few years,
can't balance it's own books, and drives us deeper and deeper into debt,
which wastes our tax dollars on frivolous and useless pork projects and campaign-contributor paybacks,
has the wherewithal to stand up a finance organization that
PAYS PEOPLE TO GO ON INSIGNIFICANT WEBSITES AND LIE ABOUT THE 911 COVER-UP????

Scott.
Really?

(This is me in a Hooter's restaurant in Johnson City, Tennessee, giving you the "Scott, really??" look.)

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Do you buy into any conspiracy theories?

Originally Posted by Jango

Do you buy into any conspiracy theories?

I've seen numerous conspiracy theorists use this tactic as well. They try to prove that if someone doesn't believe ANY conspiracy theory then they are obviously somehow defective or a shill. The problem is the definition of the conspiracy. For instance, I believe the conspiracy theory about the Gulf of Tonkin. Problem is there are NUMEROUS conspiracy theories about the Gulf of Tonkin. Some say there wasn't even an attack. The whole thing was staged. I don't believe that. I firmly believe the initial attack happened as everyone says. Even North Vietnam admitted they attacked. The second attack obviously did NOT happen. Did the U.S.S. Maddox believe it was under attack again two days later? Yes. Others in the area had their doubts and rightly so. Did LBJ know it was a false report of an attack when he ordered retaliatory strikes 30 minutes after receiving a report about the second attack? Probably not, but it is possible. Did LBJ know the attack was false when he presented evidence to Congress to pass the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution which drew the US further into the Vietnam war? The evidence would suggest he did know it was false or, at the very least, he knew there was a distinct possibility it was false, yet LBJ moved forward regardless.

So the question shouldn't be "do you buy into any conspiracy theories". The question should be "do you think there is any truth behind any conspiracy theories".