Thread: My advice to conspiracy theorists

Originally Posted by Jango

Well, the truth is the truth, man. The point I was making, minus epileptic typo, is that people can be witnesses to all sorts of things. Whether or not their testimony is credible is determined by what?

Testimony is usually backed up by the evidence. When a few people claim a plane came in at a different angle from the majority that say it came in at the angle that is backed up by all the physical evidence, one has to believe the majority and disbelieve the minority.

Originally Posted by Jango

But furthering the line - do you believe the testimony of people that have claimed to have seen aliens and/or been abducted?

If they had evidence, I would believe them. So would most everyone else. In the meantime, I will consider the possibility that they saw aliens or were abducted. Now, if you had a whole group that was abducted at once, the credibility of the group would be greater than the credibility of the one. Regardless, without evidence to back up their claim, I would remain skeptical but open to the possibility.

The same is true with everything in regards to 9/11. I've looked at all sides over the years. I've looked at each of the truther claims and found them false. I've also found that truthers will refuse to look at the evidence that does not agree with the theory du jour, yet as the theories change, the evidence they rejected yesterday will be embraced as gospel today. That kind of mentality is seriously messed up.

Personally I honestly believe most truthers know they are preaching numerous lies. The are in love with the idea that it was the government, the Jews, or whatever bad guy they wish to demonize, so they rationalize that it is OK to lie.

So now it is your turn. Do you believe William Rodriguez has any credibility? He was there on 9/11 and has given his testimony numerous times over the years.

Okay, I'll re-direct.

As you know, I am a LIHOP theorist.

My question to you is: how do you know?

How do you know for sure?


And why have you avoided my thread in the 9/11 section?

(from post #27)

The people were used to seeing airliners coming in for landings.
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Not at full throttle a couple hundred feet off the ground and heading AWAY from the airport. I use to work in the flight path of O'Hare in Chicago. If I saw a plane going 90 degrees from where it should have been going, it would have caught my attention.

If you look at the picture of the Pentagon with the RR airport behind it...
http://membres.multimania.fr/applema...77approach.jpg
(disregard the white line in the photo as it's in the wrong place)

...and look at the angle of the 757 that was described by the witnesses,...
http://wtcdemolition.com/blog/node/2170

...it's obviously not ninety degrees as you said it was. It's almost lined up with the runway. Tell us why you said it was ninety degrees. You seem to be trying to mislead those viewers who don't have the time to actually look at the evidence being discussed.

All of the points you brought up in post #37...
My advice to conspiracy theorists

...are addressed in the list of info I've posted.
Proof positive no plane flew over the Pentagon
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=144746

It takes a while to watch all of the videos so I suppose there are a lot of viewers who don't have the time to look at it all. All I can say is that those viewers should withhold judgement until thay've had time to look at all of the info as Patriot9/11 is famous for misrepresenting the info that truthers put forth to mislead the viewers who don't have the time to look at all of it.

Originally Posted by Jango

Okay, I'll re-direct.

As you know, I am a LIHOP theorist.

My question to you is: how do you know?

How do you know for sure?

I don't know for sure. How many times do I have to repeat myself? All you have to do is present evidence anyone knew about it in advance and let it happen. Even that simple theory would have numerous people involved. Bush, Cheney and everyone else weren't involved in the intelligence gathering process, so there would be others that know the truth.

Originally Posted by Jango

And why have you avoided my thread in the 9/11 section?

Because it is especailly lame and pointless. If you want to make a point, make a point. Don't give senseless history homework you will only ignore if someone makes a point you weren't specifically after.

Originally Posted by Scott

(from post #27)

If you look at the picture of the Pentagon with the RR airport behind it...
http://membres.multimania.fr/applema...77approach.jpg
(disregard the white line in the photo as it's in the wrong place)

...and look at the angle of the 757 that was described by the witnesses,...
http://wtcdemolition.com/blog/node/2170

...it's obviously not ninety degrees as you said it was. It's almost lined up with the runway. Tell us why you said it was ninety degrees. You seem to be trying to mislead those viewers who don't have the time to actually look at the evidence being discussed.

This from an extremely dishonest poster who says he looks at the physical evidence. You have a bare handfull of witnesses who's testimony is refuted by over a hundred others PLUS the physical evidence which puts the plane on a 90 degree course. It was your own claim the two planes came in at the same time so there was only one signature. Are you now making the claim that the planes came in at two different angles? Wow. That would be even MORE retarded. You know how hard it would be to time two planes intersecting the same point at the same time? Pretty easy if they are on the same course. Nearly impossible when on 90 degree courses to one another.

The other fatal flaw is that the witnesses you have all say the plane hit the Pentagon. They would have seen the plane fly over if it had. Yet the same witnesses you tout as completely reliable and credible are the exact same witnesses you will claim are either wrong or plants. So which is it?

Originally Posted by Scott

All of the points you brought up in post #37...
My advice to conspiracy theorists

...are addressed in the list of info I've posted.
Proof positive no plane flew over the Pentagon
http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=144746

You may like to try and convince yourself of that, but nobody else is buying it. First off, you ran like a little girl from that post. Second, your claim of planted witnesses and media suppression doesn't even come CLOSE to explaining the complete and utter lack of witnesses.

Originally Posted by Scott

It takes a while to watch all of the videos so I suppose there are a lot of viewers who don't have the time to look at it all. All I can say is that those viewers should withhold judgement until thay've had time to look at all of the info as Patriot9/11 is famous for misrepresenting the info that truthers put forth to mislead the viewers who don't have the time to look at all of it.

OR all they have to do is recognize you STILL can't produce one single shred of real evidence. Your case is so weak you have to try and have people watch mind numbingly stupid videos to try and make points you know you could never make stick. Pathetic!

The other fatal flaw is that the witnesses you have all say the plane hit the Pentagon.

Anybody who takes the time to watch this eight-part series...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGvXVzdlcQk

...will see that none of those witnesses said he'd actually seen the plane hit the Pentagon. It flew out of their site and then there was an explosion and they just assumed that it had hit the Pentagon.

This guy Patriot911 is famous for misrepresenting the info in truther videos to take in those viewers who don't have the time to watch them. Don't take this guy's word on anything when he talks about truther videos. He lies.

Originally Posted by Scott

Anybody who takes the time to watch this eight-part series...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGvXVzdlcQk

...will see that none of those witnesses said he'd actually seen the plane hit the Pentagon. It flew out of their site and then there was an explosion and they just assumed that it had hit the Pentagon.

Yet NONE of them saw a plane flying off. Wake up and smell the (*)(*)(*)(*) you've been shoveling. The stench is getting really BAD!

Originally Posted by Scott

This guy Patriot911 is famous for misrepresenting the info in truther videos to take in those viewers who don't have the time to watch them.

I just speak the truth. Drives the truthers crazy because they can't respond, know they can't respond and they know they're lying their collective asses off about the whole thing.

Originally Posted by Scott

Don't take this guy's word on anything when he talks about truther videos. He lies.

Well, did that make you feel better? A shame you can't actually defend against the truth. If all you can do is "warn" people about me, what does that say about you and your theories? I don't talk about videos. I talk about what you post. Still waiting for you to produce just one piece of real evidence your bat(*)(*)(*)(*) crazy theories are fact instead of fiction. Hell, you can't even back up your "plausibilities". You claim not one witness has ever come forward because the MSM is controlled, yet here you sit on a public forum whining about it. Couldn't THEY get on a public forum like all the other truthers? Sure they could. Couldn't they find alternate media like indymedia? Of course they could. Couldn't they get on foreign media? You betcha. But apparently every single witness decided it was just too much effort to tell everyone what they saw according to your fantasy land.

I don't buy it.

Doesn't look like anyone else does either.

You're going to need more than lameassed videos that lie all the time to convince people. The cat is out of the bag that the truthers don't care about the truth and are perfectly OK with lying about everything.

Originally Posted by Patriot911

I don't know for sure. How many times do I have to repeat myself? All you have to do is present evidence anyone knew about it in advance and let it happen. Even that simple theory would have numerous people involved. Bush, Cheney and everyone else weren't involved in the intelligence gathering process, so there would be others that know the truth.


Because it is especailly lame and pointless. If you want to make a point, make a point. Don't give senseless history homework you will only ignore if someone makes a point you weren't specifically after.

Numerous people that can be paid off or silenced, sure. People that were probably on the 'inside team'. Not a stretch of the imagination.

Point taken.

Originally Posted by Jango

Numerous people that can be paid off or silenced, sure. People that were probably on the 'inside team'. Not a stretch of the imagination.

Two things, Jango:

* I have worked for, in, and around the government nearly my whole life.
The federal government can't concoct a plan to get in a car and drive to WALMART without somebody blabbing, spilling the beans, fumbling the plan, and screwing it up from top to bottom. The notion that somehow the federal government brilliantly executed this cover-up scenario and effectively silenced hundreds of people is simply ludicrous.

* A missile or a bomb will not leave behind the overpowering smell of Jet-A (the type of fuel used by civilian airliners and military planes and helicopters alike).
My good friend who I described earlier as having lost his coworkers in the attack, was an Apache helicopter pilot prior to his service at the Pentagon.
There is no mistaking the strong smell of jet fuel. We worked around it for years.

* I personally resent the insinuation that my good friends who were inside the Pentagon when the plane hit, and my other good friend and her team-mates who witnessed the airliner slam into the Pentagon with their own eyes,
are somehow liars and stooges.

These are credible, respected professionals. Men and women of integrity and honor.
(One of whom later died in Iraq, serving her country with great valor.)
There's nothing you can concoct or theorize on a snippety web-forum like this that is going to change that, sir.

I never thought hundreds of people were in on it. I thought I was pretty clear.

Maybe Bush and Cheney, when they jointly talked, spilled the beans on the whole ordeal. But who knows, their testimony is classified. Why is it classified? Why haven't we seen it after ten years? Do you not care about this?

And I am sorry for what your friends had to go through.