Thread: Colorado shooter Holmes poisoned by anti-psychotic drugs?

OK, here's my new conspiracy theory.


Bright student, James Holmes starts his Ph.D. studies in Neuro-Science at the University of Colorado's Aurora campus but Holmes's arrogant, know-it-all attitude annoys someone he works with, perhaps one of the university staff who is a professor or a lecturer or a fellow student who has access to anti-psychotic drugs used to "treat" mental patients. This hypothetical person who has taken a severe dislike to Holmes I will refer to as "Holmes's secret enemy" or HSE.


In an evil, secret lone-wolf science experiment, HSE targets Holmes to poison him with anti-psychotic drugs to see what happens and for the wicked pleasure of doing evil to a perceived enemy.


So one day, HSE slips some anti-psychotic pills into Holmes's coffee. "Here you James, it's with sugar, I hope that's OK?"
Holmes barely looking up from his text books says, "Yeh, thanks" and drinks the poisoned coffee.


The effect of the anti-psychotic drugs is to make Holmes apathetic, the next week or so he sleeps in, he doesn't turn up for work at the university, and administrators expel him from university. Holmes drops out.


Then slowly over a number of weeks, the anti-psychotics wear off and for a brief time Holmes returns to his normal self but then quickly the effect of the withdrawal symptoms from the anti-psychotic drugs kicks in, which is the opposite effect to that when initially taking anti-psychotics - the effect of withdrawal from these anti-psychotic drugs is to induce a psychotic breakdown which Holmes has.


As a result of the withdrawal from the poisoning, the psychotic Holmes, plans his lone-wolf shooting massacre.


Deep in his subconscious, as a final plea for help, Holmes writes to his former University professor, a psychiatrist who Holmes still trusts, perhaps naively for all we know, because the psychiatrist professor Holmes writes to could be none other than "HSE" the person who poisoned Holmes and caused his psychosis? Perhaps not. This is only a theory.


Holmes writes to the psychiatrist professor but gets no reply so he reverts to his plan and goes through with the Aurora Theater attack.


This conspiracy theory is hard to prove or disprove but it looks like my conspiracy theory fits the facts.


Whether or not this theory is true, it certainly is true that these anti-psychotic drugs are very dangerous, as dangerous as firearms in their own way.

what? is hse code for Bush now?

Originally Posted by MisLed

what? is hse code for Bush now?

No. If there is a conspiracy like I have conceived, it will most likely be a tiny conspiracy perhaps known only to one personal enemy of Holmes, identity unknown, but for naming purposes I have codenamed the hypothetical conspirator "HSE". Perhaps others at the University are involved in the conspiracy but not I think Bush because he doesn't work in psychiatry at the University of Colorado, Aurora campus.

It is possible that there is some kind of secret research going on into the use of anti-psychotics as a military chemical weapon of social disintegration, to be used by some kind of black-ops organisation. That's the grand conspiracy version of the theory though. I am happier with the lone-wolf conspirator - one person who is acting from personal malice against Holmes.

Anyway, what part of

Originally Posted by Peter Dow

but Holmes's arrogant, know-it-all attitude annoys someone he works with, perhaps one of the university staff who is a professor or a lecturer or a fellow student who has access to anti-psychotic drugs used to "treat" mental patients. This hypothetical person who has taken a severe dislike to Holmes I will refer to as "Holmes's secret enemy" or HSE.

didn't you understand?

I don't believe for one moment that this idiot was:

* purposely poisoned with anti-psychotic drugs

* coerced or influence by others to commit the shootings
or
* that there was any sort of conspiracy going on in Aurora, other than James Holme's conspiring, solo, to commit a grand act of violence.

That said, it was CLEAR to me that he was heavily under the influence of some sort of sedative at his arraignment last week.
The signs and symptoms of intoxication were unmistakable.

Here is what I believe, and I say this because I recall hearing that morning that 'the arraignment will be delayed this morning because the defendant is being uncooperative';
Somebody in the court authorized the administration of a sedative of some sort, in order to make James Holmes calm down and cooperate with the proceedings.

Make sense?
Any arguments?

James Holmes To Face Death Penalty...

James Holmes' Victims Applaud Death Penalty Plan: 'I Want Him Dead'
April 1, 2013 - Friends of Aurora shooting victims applauded prosecutors' decision today to seek the death penalty for James Holmes, with one friend saying he wanted to be in the room if Holmes is executed.

"I don't know if it's painful. I want him dead. I just want to be there in the room when he dies," Bryan Beard said outside the Colorado courthouse. "He took one of my friends from this Earth. Death equals death." Beard's close friend Alex Sullivan was one of the 12 people killed in the shooting on July 20 last year. It was Sullivan's 27th birthday. Prosecutors from the Arapahoe County District Attorney's Office said at a hearing today in Aurora, Colo., that they will seek execution for Holmes if he is convicted. "For James Eagan Holmes, justice is death," District Attorney George Brauchler said in court. A couple of victims' relatives cried. Holmes' parents were also in court. He looked at them when he came in. After the announcement, Holmes' father nodded his head and put his arm around his wife.

Brauchler said his office has reached out to 800 victims and that he had personally spoken with relatives of 60 victims who died and were injured. Brauchler said he didn't speak to anyone about the decision. "They are trying to execute our client and we will do what we need to do to save his life," public defender Tammy Brady said in a voice shaking with anger. "We are asking the court not to rush this." Holmes was swiveling back and forth in his chair during the discussion of the trial date. Judge Carlos Samour, the case's new judge, set the trial date for Feb. 3, 2014, but the date could change if the defense finds it is not ready early next year. "I want to be aggressive in moving this case along, and at the same time I want to make sure it's done right," Samour said. The decision follows several days of wrangling between the defense and prosecution over Holmes' offer to plead guilty in a bid to avoid the death penalty.


James Holmes sits in the courtroom during his arraignment in Centennial, Colo.

Despite the announcement, experts predict a long road ahead for Holmes, 25, and the case. "When the government tries to kill one of its citizens, you do everything you can to keep it from happening so I expect the road to trial will be a long process," former head of the Colorado public defender's office David Kaplan told ABC News today. "Hopefully the prosecution will keep an open mind to bring closure that will be of benefit to everyone," he said. Holmes' defense attorneys said on Wednesday that he was willing to plead guilty and spend the rest of his life in prison in order to avoid death row. But prosecutors rejected the offer and criticized the defense for what prosecutors called a "calculated" move for attention. "The circumstances surrounding the filing of the Notice indicate that it was filed for the intended purpose of generating the predictable pretrial publicity," prosecutors wrote in their response to the defense's filing.

Holmes is accused of killing 12 people and wounding at least 58 when gunfire erupted in an Aurora theater last July during a midnight screening of "The Dark Knight Rises." Holmes' physical appearance has evolved over his time in prison, visible only in rare court appearances. He has gone from wild, Joker-like orange and red hair in his first appearance to his most recent look of brown hair and a shaggy beard. He has sometimes looked bug-eyed and confused and other times so despondent and drowsy that people questioned whether he had been drugged. Family members are divided on whether Holmes should get death, according to investigative sources. Some are philosophically opposed to the death penalty, others support it and still another group wants death for Holmes, but they don't want to endure a trial.

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Originally Posted by sparky2

I don't believe for one moment that this idiot was:

Well apparently he was a bright student, so no "idiot" at one time but what made him act like an idiot? Drugs, under the influence or under withdrawal symptoms is my guess. I heard on the news tonight that he had been hospitalised before the attack. And hospitals never feel like they have done anything until they drug their patient with something. Or maybe he was suffering from drug overdose and that is why he was hospitalised?

Originally Posted by sparky2

(I don't believe for one moment that this idiot was

* purposely poisoned with anti-psychotic drugs

Well suppose we don't call it "poisoning" for the sake of argument. Suppose we call it "prescribing"?

Supposing his original sin was being foolish enough to agree to take prescribed anti-psychotic drugs? Then after that, the anti-psychotic drugs turned him into an idiot and then when the withdrawal symptoms kicked in, the same anti-psychotic drugs turned him into a psychopath?

What we know is that drugs companies carelessly push dangerous anti-psychotic drugs because they make a profit out of selling them. Agreed?

Clearly the expected withdrawal symptoms of anti-psychotics are psychosis and so violent psychotic attacks under withdrawal must be expected and which attacks, they, the drug companies don't plan per se but when such attacks happen the drugs companies hope to spin the news management in such a way as to drive home to the state, medical profession etc the requirement to keep people on the drugs forever once on them and never suffer withdrawal symptoms, because that keeps the sales coming in?

Can't it just be that Holmes had his brain poisoned with anti-psychotics

• either against his will and / or knowledge and only the evil person who slipped the drugs in his coffee or forcibly injected him is responsible?
• or can't it be that someone openly and honestly prescribed anti-psychotics to Holmes and he foolishly took them, because maybe there was a financial incentive to test out new drugs or it was part of an experiment or drugs trial his neuroscience department was carrying out and it all went horribly wrong? If so it would not be the first new drug trial which has gone horribly wrong, I can assure you.

Originally Posted by sparky2

(I don't believe for one moment that this idiot was

* coerced or influence by others to commit the shootings
or
* that there was any sort of conspiracy going on in Aurora, other than James Holme's conspiring, solo, to commit a grand act of violence.

Agreed, though since you seem to have been "banned" I am not sure if you will ever read of my agreement with you on that point or disagreement on others. Why was this guy banned? He seems reasonable enough.

Originally Posted by sparky2

That said, it was CLEAR to me that he was heavily under the influence of some sort of sedative at his arraignment last week.
The signs and symptoms of intoxication were unmistakable.

Here is what I believe, and I say this because I recall hearing that morning that 'the arraignment will be delayed this morning because the defendant is being uncooperative';
Somebody in the court authorized the administration of a sedative of some sort, in order to make James Holmes calm down and cooperate with the proceedings.

Make sense?

Yes yes yes but that's not the issue.

Originally Posted by sparky2

Any arguments?

The argument and the issue is whether drugs were the causative effect that drove this guy psycho and are drug company lawyers once again keeping the facts out of the public discourse?

Just to make it absolutely.clear - I am talking about the drugs that Holmes may have taken before the attack, drugs that drove him psycho before the attack, drugs that were the primary agent that drove an ordinary student psycho.

This topic is not meant to be about what drugs Holmes may or may not have taken after his arrest or before his court appearances. Just forget that here! That's irrelevant as to what made him psycho enough to commit this mass murder.

Whereas the drugs he took before the attack and are being pushed by drugs companies may be the reason behind many of these psychotic attacks we are witnessing.

Sure, He was given one dose of Anti-pychotic meds which made him purchase body armour and several guns over a period of weeks and months, carefully plan out the attack, go to a place where goin in in costume would not be seen as too out of place, and boobytrap his apartment. Sheesh. But hey at least you don't have to look at more uncomfortable causes, like him simply doing it because he wanted to go out doing something fun.

And it takes more than one single dose of anti-[psychotics or indeed any drug to cause withdrawal symptoms. Plus one dose would not affect him for a week as pretty much all anti-psychotics are taken daily.

Originally Posted by Suranis

Sure, He was given one dose of Anti-pychotic meds

Well maybe it was 10 doses given at one time, maliciously or incompetently. Or one dose of a new drug that is 10 times stronger than normal anti-psychotics and the experiment was to find out how much of the drug causes what effect, to work out dosing recommendations to inform psychiatrists how much to prescribe?

Originally Posted by Suranis

which made him purchase body armour and several guns over a period of weeks and months, carefully plan out the attack, go to a place where goin in in costume would not be seen as too out of place, and boobytrap his apartment.

People buy guns and armour because they can. They don't always plan to commit an outrage at the point of purchase. I think it is a mistake to assume he planned this all along from first purchase of a gun. Most often in these shootings people have the guns and when a psychotic attack happens it's simply the weapon of choice to hand.

Originally Posted by Suranis

. But hey at least you don't have to look at more uncomfortable causes, like him simply doing it because he wanted to go out doing something fun.

But why would he want to "go out" (by which I presume you mean commit suicide) a young man with everything to live for? He could have got laid next week. That's worth staying alive for, right single guys?

It could be anti-psychotics or some other new kind of drug made him suicidal.

Originally Posted by Suranis

.And it takes more than one single dose of anti-[psychotics or indeed any drug to cause withdrawal symptoms.

Not necessarily as I explained earlier. It could have been a super-sized dose in some way.

Originally Posted by Suranis

Plus one dose would not affect him for a week as pretty much all anti-psychotics are taken daily.

This is not the first time I have heard that falsehood on the internet. Drugs vary in their duration of action and some indeed last weeks not days and there is a demand for "care in the community" anti-psychotics from the state which wants a longer lasting injection to pacify someone with say political views or something.

Originally Posted by Peter Dow

Well maybe it was 10 doses given at one time, maliciously or incompetently. Or one dose of a new drug that is 10 times stronger than normal anti-psychotics and the experiment was to find out how much of the drug causes what effect, to work out dosing recommendations to inform psychiatrists how much to prescribe?

Or maybe it was one of the psychotically good apple pies made by my great aunt.

This is not the first time I have heard that falsehood on the internet. Drugs vary in their duration of action and some indeed last weeks not days and there is a demand for "care in the community" anti-psychotics from the state which wants a longer lasting injection to pacify someone with say political views or something.

So you have been pedaling this bull(*)(*)(*)(*) on other sites? Woohoo its noce that other people think you are a moron too.

So in your world the guy went over and got injected up the ass by some evil government conspiracy without him noticing. Yes WITH THE EXCEPTION OF DEPOT INJECTIONS, which releases the drug slowly over some weeks, Anti psychotic meds need to be taken daily.

Also lets look at what some experts actually say about it shall we?

http://www.sane.org/information/fact...tic-medication

How long do they take to work?
People should begin to feel better within six weeks of starting to take antipsychotic medication. However, it can take several months before the full benefits are felt.

So itr would take more than pone blast of them to change his brain chemistry

As for the homicidal side effects you desperately want

Are there any side-effects?
Like any type of medication, antipsychotics can cause unwanted effects. Your doctor should talk about this with you and encourage you to report back any problems you experience, as there is much that can be done to minimise these effects. Often these are temporary and wear off with time as your body adjusts to them. As a general rule they are less of a problem with lower doses of medication. Remember that not everyone will experience the same unwanted effects with the same medication – and some people have none. Possible unwanted effects with some medications include:

dry mouth

low blood pressure

lower sexual responsiveness

tiredness

loss of periods in women

dizziness

stiffness or trembling in muscles

nausea, constipation

mild involuntary movements

weight gain

Changing the dose of medication can ease side-effects, as can changing the time of day you take it. That is why it is important to let your doctor know as soon as possible if you are concerned about any of these side-effects. Your doctor should also monitor any weight gain closely to minimise the potential risk of developing diabetes. There are things you can do too: for example sucking sugar-free lollies can help a dry mouth, and diet changes and an exercise program may help with weight gain, as well as improving your overall fitness.

So, rather than getting all depressed for a week, he would pave turned into an impotent twitchy guy who tucked into multiple deserts. The horror.

But why would he want to "go out" (by which I presume you mean commit suicide) a young man with everything to live for? He could have got laid next week. That's worth staying alive for, right single guys?

It could be anti-psychotics or some other new kind of drug made him suicidal.

Go ask the guys who perpetrate thre multiple shootings that happen across the US every single day. Some ecamples from the last week or so

Police: Boy kills Ga. infant in stroller

Police are searching for suspects in Brunswick, Ga., after a young man opened fire on an infant being pushed by his mother in the stroller, killing the 13-month-old boy.

Brunswick Police Chief Tobe Green said the suspects are thought to be between 10 and 15 years old.

WJXT reports the mother, who was the only witness to the shooting, said she was confronted by two boys. She described the shooter as a black male between the ages of 13 and 15. Police said he was with a second boy who was a couple of years younger.

"He said 'I'm going to kill you if you don't give me money,' and I said, 'I swear I don't have any,'" the mother, Sherry West, said in a tearful interview with WAWS-TV of Jacksonville.

She said she tried to protect her baby, Antonio, but shots rang out. "I put my arms over my baby and he shoves me and then he shot my baby right in the head," West told WAWS-TV.

One person was killed in a shooting at the Marine base Quantico, Va. Thursday night, officials told NBC News.

The shooting was reported at around 11 p.m. Prince William County and military police responded to the scene.

A suspect is believed to be isolated in the barrack of the Officer Candidate School campus and the base is in lockdown, Lt. Agustin Solivan told NBC News.

A message posted on Quantico's Facebook page told residents to remain in their homes with their doors locked.

Texas Shootout Suspect 'Evil Evan' Dies From His Wounds

The man involved in a high speed car chase and shootout in Texas, who police are eyeing for the murder of Colorado's prisons chief and a pizza deliveryman earlier in the week, is a paroled Colorado inmate and white supremacist gang member who signed his name "Evil Evan," sources tell ABC News.

Evan Spencer Ebel, identified as the shooter who opened fired at police in Texas when they pulled him over during a traffic stop Thursday, died of his wounds today.

Police near Tacoma, Wash. say they discovered two people shot in the head after a 69-year-old man called authorities and told them he had shot his two adult children.

Police arrived at a home in Puyallup, Wash. where they talked the man into putting down his gun after receiving the call around 3:30 a.m. local time, according to King5.com.

Inside the home, police found an adult male and an adult female each shot in the head in different rooms, authorities said. The victims appeared to have been shot in their sleep.

The female died and the male is reportedly in critical condition at Tacoma General Hospital, according to KING 5.

ORLANDO, Fla. - Orlando police say a 16-year-old accidentally shot and killed his 12-year-old brother Friday afternoon in a case of mistaken identity.

The shooting happened around 2:20 p.m. inside a home on Portofino Drive in Lake Nona's gated Nona Crest subdivision off Narcoossee Road.

"A 16-year-old and 12-year-old were home and there was a firearm in the house, and the 16-year-old feared that the place was being broken into. He fired a shot and it killed his brother," said Orlando homicide detective Mike Moreschi.

PETERSBURG, Pa. (AP) — A central Pennsylvania father shot and killed his 2-year-old son and wounded his estranged wife during a custody exchange before killing himself, authorities said.

Police said Kenneth Ayers also shot at his mother during the altercation Saturday morning at her home in a rural area about 20 miles southwest of State College.

Huntingdon County District Attorney George Zanic said Ayers, 52, was subject to a protection from abuse order filed by his wife but was permitted visits with his son, Michael.

SAN DIEGO -- A man was fatally shot at close range by a semi-automatic assault rifle Saturday evening outside a fast-food restaurant, authorities confirmed.

The shooting happened at around 5:30 p.m. PT (8:30 a.m. ET) in the parking lot of a Carls' Jr. on Sweetwater Road in National City, Calif. The gunman fled the scene after fatally injuring a male victim.

The victim was shot approximately 10 times from a distance of about 10 to 15 feet, according to Lt. Robert Rounds. When police arrived, the victim was lying on the ground in critical condition.

He was transported to UCSD Medical Center, but died a short time later.

Police surrounded a home Tuesday in Tacoma, Wash., where a man with at least four high-powered weapons was holed up after reportedly walking through the neighborhood spraying gunfire, a sheriff's official told NBC News.

No injuries were immediately reported, but Pierce County sheriff's Detective Ed Troyer said several homes were hit by bullets in the neighborhood in Tacoma, about 30 miles of Seattle.

It wasn't known whether anybody else was in the home with the gunman, who Troyer said was known to have "mental health issues" and was believed to have been drinking.

Police began firing tear gas into the house early Tuesday evening, NBC station KING of Sea...

That's a lot of guys that you are saying got injected up the ass with anti-psychotics. And that's not even the complete list at my disposal. I didn't give you the links because why bother.

Face it, you don't know anything about anti-psychotic meds, and are trying to make some point or other without a clue.