Bush and supporters keep spreading lies about the insurgency in Iraq. The biggest deception is that the insurgency will be in the U.S if we don’t take care of them in Iraq. But using fear to keep the public stoked about the war is an old reliable tactic for the Bush clan.

Some how the thought of 20,000 inflamed Sunnis whose goal is to eliminate U.S occupation,coming over to our shores to liberate America is hard to swallow.

But the fact is, Iraq is becoming an effect training camp that will spread an even more lethal class of terrorists throughout the world.


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8272786/site/newsweek/

Newsweek

THE ENEMY SPIES

By Scott Johnson and Melinda Liu
Newsweek



According to a U.S. Special Ops source, who required anonymity because of the sensitivity of his work, the insurgents include an estimated 1,000 foreign jihadists, 500 homegrown Iraqi jihadists, between 15,000 and 30,000 former regime elements and as many as 400,000 auxiliaries and support personnel.


New insurgents seem to spring up faster than the allied forces can cut them down. The Coalition has announced the killing of some 15,000 insurgents over the past year. Nevertheless, official briefers have recently estimated that between 12,000 and 20,000 insurgents remain active.


According to intelligence officials in Baghdad, whose clearances bar them from speaking publicly, Iraq's security services have hundreds of "ghost soldiers"—members who vanish, sometimes for months on end, but continue to draw their pay. The fear is that they are working for the insurgency while keeping up their ties in uniform.

But Iraq's Security minister, Abdul Karim al-Inizi, says the ones who got caught are only a fraction of the total number of infiltrators. "A number way bigger than that is still active and still in service," al-Inizi told NEWSWEEK.



No one in U.S. intelligence seems ready to say the fight is hopeless. But no one is sounding very optimistic, either. The CIA produced a study this May on a topic so sensitive that even the title is classified.

1.For starters, not all new recruits in Afghanistan necessarily hated America before undergoing Al Qaeda indoctrination. In Iraq, on the other hand, hostility toward America is practically the only thing that all insurgents agree on—foreign infiltrators and native recruits alike.

2.And jihadists in Iraq are getting direct, on-the-job training in a real-life insurgency, with hands-on experience in bombing, sniping and all the skills of urban warfare, unlike the essentially artificial training that was given at Al Qaeda's rural Afghan camp

3.One of the paper's main points is that America's Iraqi troubles will not end with the insurgency. In effect, Iraq is producing a new corps of master terrorists with an incandescent hatred for the United States—the "class of '05 problem," as it's called in the shorthand of CIA analysts. This war is proving to be longer and nastier than almost anyone expected. One day, its results may be felt closer to home.

Quote the Whinningsmile...

"But the fact is, Iraq is becoming an effective training camp that will spread an even more lethal class of terrorists throughout the world. "

And so it follows that we must stay. Right?

Ya, only because we made it that way

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Then who are those fighters who have been flooding in through Syria?

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"This is a time for a national imperative not to fail in Iraq." Condoleeza Rice, January 11, 2007

If your goal is to jeopardize, and take out more American lives at an increased basis on a world wide level, then you've got it.

All that money spent on the shrink wasted

Insurgents Assert Control Over Town Near Syrian Border

Zarqawi's Forces Kill U.S.-Allied Iraqis And Impose Strict Law, Witnesses Say

By Ellen Knickmeyer and Jonathan Finer
Washington Post Foreign Service
Tuesday, September 6, 2005; Page A20

BAGHDAD, Sept. 5 -- Fighters loyal to militant leader Abu Musab Zarqawi asserted control over the key Iraqi border town of Qaim on Monday, killing U.S. collaborators and enforcing strict Islamic law, according to tribal members, officials, residents and others in the town and nearby villages.

Residents said the foreign-led fighters controlled by Zarqawi, a Jordanian, apparently had been exerting authority in the town, within two miles of the Syrian border, since at least the start of the weekend. A sign posted at an entrance to the town declared, "Welcome to the Islamic Republic of Qaim."


NOT foreign fighters, eh????
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...090500313.html

Looks like Syria may receive some bombs from above. We've begged, pleaded, and asked politely for them to stop these people from coming across their border......to kill Iraqi's and our military. They have NOT even tried. Therefore, we have no other choice than to stop it ourselves.



In other developments Monday, the U.S. Army warned noncombatants to leave a portion of the northeastern city of Tall Afar ahead of an expected assault on an insurgent stronghold there. Car bombs and other political violence around Iraq killed at least 33 Iraqi civilians and security force members. A U.S. soldier and two British troops also were killed, officials said.

The report from Qaim, about 200 miles west of Baghdad, marked one of insurgents' boldest moves in their cat-and-mouse duels with U.S. Marines along the Euphrates River. U.S. forces have described border towns in the area as a funnel for foreign fighters, arms and money into Iraq from Syria."

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"This is a time for a national imperative not to fail in Iraq." Condoleeza Rice, January 11, 2007

[quote="JP5";p="165149"]Insurgents Assert Control Over Town Near Syrian Border

Zarqawi's Forces Kill U.S.-Allied Iraqis And Impose Strict Law, Witnesses Say

By Ellen Knickmeyer and Jonathan Finer
Washington Post Foreign Service
Tuesday, September 6, 2005; Page A20


THIS DOESN’T REFUTE THE FACT THAT THE INSURGENCY IS 90% SUNNIS. YOU’RE AGREEING WITH WHAT I’M SAYING. THE 10% FORIGN FIGHTERS WOULD MOSTLY START OUT GATHERING IN BORDER TOWNS


AND…THIS DOESN’T REFUTE THE FACT THE INSURGENCY IS 90% SUNNIS

NOT foreign fighters, eh????
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...090500313.html

AND HOW DOES THIS REFUTE THAT THE INSURGENCY IS NOT 90% SUNNIS? PLEASE EXPLAIN HOW THIS IS PROOF?


I SEE WHAT YOU’RE TRYING TO SAY HERE, BUT THIS DOESN’T REFUTE THE PENTAGON’S REPORT THAT 90% OF THE INSURGENCY IS SUUNI, NOR DOES IT ACCOUNT FOR THE OVER 100,000 STRONG IRAQI BASE OF SUPPORT FOR THE TERRORISTSTHE STUFF YOU’VE PRINTED DOES NOT REFUTE THE PENTAGON REPORTS THAT THE INSURGENCY IS 90% IRAQI.
BUT GOOD ATTEMPT

Yeah. Right. Got me there.

JP and barney fife are one of those guys who will only oppose a war if its liberal kooks waging it. no one here understands what these comedians are saying most of the time, other then the word "liberal"