Carl Rove is in trouble.

It may be time to shoot the architect! So in the end the Nigerian yellow cake thing may sink rove's but! The administration started a lie about WMD's and kept running with it. This is what happens when you lie!

Rove testifies fourth time on CIA leak, Herald News Daily, 14 Oct 05

"WASHINGTON - President George W. Bush President George W. Bush‘s top political adviser, Karl Rove, went before a federal grand jury for a fourth time on Friday as prosecutors neared a decision on whether to bring charges over leaking a covert CIA operative‘s name.

Rove, the most powerful and controversial political strategist in Washington, made no comment as he entered the federal courthouse to begin his testimony, hoping to convince grand jurors that he did nothing illegal.

Prosecutors have told Rove that they can not guarantee that he will not be indicted over the leak of CIA operative Valerie Plame‘s identity.

Plame‘s diplomat husband, Joseph Wilson, asserts administration officials outed his wife, damaging her ability to work undercover, to discredit him for criticizing Bush‘s Iraq policy in a New York Times opinion piece on July 6, 2003.

While special prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald could bring charges against officials for the crime of knowingly revealing the identity of an undercover CIA operative, several lawyers in the case said he was more likely to bring a broad conspiracy charge or easier-to-prove crimes such as making false statements and perjury.

Fitzgerald could send out "target" letters to senior administration officials at any time, and bring indictments as early as next week, the lawyers said.

Rove‘s attorney, Robert Luskin, says his client was not part of "any scheme to punish Joe Wilson by disclosing the identity of his wife."

Fitzgerald might also decide that no crime was committed and issue a report of his findings.

The outcome could shake up an administration already reeling from criticism over its response to Hurricane Katrina and the indictment of House of Representatives Republican leader Tom DeLay of Texas on charges related to campaign financing.

The White House assured the public two years ago that Rove and Vice President Dick Cheney ‘s chief of staff, Lewis Libby, had no role in the Plame leak.

Since then, reporters have identified Rove and Libby as their sources.

Judith Miller, the New York Times reporter who was jailed for 85 days before reaching an agreement to reveal her source, testified twice before the grand jury about three conversations she had with Libby. Time magazine reporter Matt Cooper testified Rove was the first person to tell him that Wilson‘s wife worked at the "agency," or CIA, though Cooper said Rove did not disclose her name. Cooper also discussed Wilson and his wife with Libby.

In Friday‘s grand jury session, Fitzgerald was expected to press Rove to explain any inconsistencies between his previous testimony and the statements of other witnesses, including Cooper.

Zachary Carter, a former U.S. Attorney in New York, said any time an official testifies multiple times "there‘s always the risk that they may be perceived as having testified inconsistently."

Fitzgerald appears to be focusing on evidence that top White House officials began seeking information about Wilson and his wife in June 2003, if not sooner.

Wilson had investigated for the CIA an administration charge that Iraq was seeking nuclear materials in Niger and concluded it was unsubstantiated. Cheney‘s office was eager to discredit Wilson‘s findings and his assertion that he was sent to Niger at the urging of the vice president, critics say."
http://www.heraldnewsdaily.com/stori...s-0085742.html

MSNBC's Keith Olbermann, 22 July 05

"Call it the CIA Leak Investigation, or the Valerie Plame follow-up, or the Karl Rove Case. By whichever name, it may have just turned from the difficult-to-follow, and legally subtle, pursuit of someone who could’ve violated a complicated law about not deliberately revealing the identity of covert agents into something much simpler.
The special prosecutor may be going after Karl Rove — and Scooter Libby — for making false statements to the prosecutors. In other words: lying.

Bloomberg News quoting ‘people familiar with the case’ says that while Rove told special prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald that he first learned Agent Plame’s name from columnist Robert Novak, the news service reports Novak "has given a somewhat different version to the special prosecutor."
Rove also told prosecutors a version of his conversation with Time Magazine reporter Matthew Cooper that doesn’t match up to Cooper’s testimony."
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8085423

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"The best thing Patrick Fitzgerald could do for his country is get out of Washington, return to Chicago and prosecute some real criminals."


"Now we are told by various journalistic sources that Mr. Fitzgerald might not indict anyone for breaking the law he was authorized to investigate, but some other one – maybe one concerning the disclosure of secret material. Here again, though, this is a daily occurrence in Washington, where most secrets have the shelf life of sashimi."

"This is why I want Mr. Fitzgerald to leave now. Do not bring trivial charges – nothing about conspiracies, please – and nothing about official secrets, most of which are known to hairdressers, mistresses and dog walkers all over town.

Please, Mr. Fitzgerald, there's so much crime in Washington already. Don't commit another."


http://www.dallasnews.com/s/dws/dn/o....1de1833c.html

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Dont worry, JP5. He will trot out the standard administration fall-back position whenever they lie/misinform/maliciously leak - we didnt knowingly do it. The "I didnt know the lie was not actually true at the very millisecond when I made that specific utterance" defence; right up there with "is is". Pure genius.

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O, will you people leave Rove alone. Whats gonna happen will happen. And you all know very well that Rove hasnt actually done anything. Just admit it.

"The White House assured the public two years ago that Rove and Vice President Dick Cheney ‘s chief of staff, Lewis Libby, had no role in the Plame leak.

Since then, reporters have identified Rove and Libby as their sources. "

Yep. This administration swore up down and sideways they had nothing to do with the release of Plame's name. But now we KNOW FOR A FACT THAT THEY WERE LYING. Why is that ok? And if they told the special prosecutor the same lies they told us, then they broke the law. I'm sure the nuts have their own theories that will conveniently leave out the law or accountability for anyone in this administration. Typical. Now they have to go after the prosecutor because they are caught and that's what they do. Really, it's getting soooooooooo old. Why would anyone give Rove or Libby a pass on this after they bald-faced lied to everyone of us about it?

FYI, Richard Cohen wrote it; not me. I provided the LINK to his entire article. I just happen to agree with him.

BTW, also FYI.....Richard Cohen is a left-leaning writer for the Washington Post.

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But if they heard it first from other reporters or it was fairly common knowledge in Washington D.C. .....then they didn't leak the name. Considering Valerie Plame's name was on the Who's Who in America list as being Joseph Wilson's wife for each of the years 1999, 2000, 2001, and 2002.............I'd say it would have been easy for anyone to discover who she was and who she was married to.

I don't see the crime here.....

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First they lied and said they had nothing to do with it. Then they denied being a source and said they got the info from reporters. But we now know the reporter they were referring to, Novak I think, said after he was released from his confidentiality agreement that no, he heard it first from them. It was not the other way around. They are liars. Perjury is a crime. Just ask Bill Clinton. If they have inconsistent testimony before the grand jury or other testimony refutes their testimony, that is perjury. Whether or not that will happen, I don't know. I'm interested to see. But THERE IS NO DENYING the FACT that they have been lying about this for the past two years. What else have they been lying about?

Then I expect IF it is......that Karl Rove should be able to finsih out his term......EXACTLY AS BILL CLINTON DID!!!! That's how seriously you Dems took THAT particual perjury charge. And that was the President of the United STATES!!! So, we'll do the same.



No. Novak said he did not receive a planned leak. He also says he confirmed the information with a source AT the CIA.

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could point JP5, I don't see how anyone can really argue with that. Then again Clinton, lied about sex, which in my book (but no one else's) isnt that big of a deal.