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Old 10-31-2005, 08:23 AM
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Default Wal-Mart wants higher wages

Even one of the most anti-worker company in the nation feels workers are underpaid. Is it too much to ask that people be able to feed their families?

It's like I always say....conservatives HATE poor people...with a passion. It's a sad world we live in.

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Wal-Mart exec calls for US minimum wage hike Wed Oct 26, 3:44 AM ET

The head of retail giant Wal-Mart, beloved by US shoppers for its deep discounts, has urged Congress to raise the federal minimum wage, stuck for years at barely above five dollars per hour.

In a speech Monday delivered at an annual meeting of company analysts, chief executive Lee Scott said that US lawmakers ought to take a "responsible look" at increasing the minimum wage businesses are legally allowed to pay US workers.

"The US minimum wage of 5.15 dollars has not been raised in nearly a decade, and we believe it is out of date with the times," Scott said.

Wal-Mart, the biggest US employer with some 1.7 million workers, keeps prices low, but has often been criticized for keeping wages and benefits low, too.

While noting that there is "room for improvement", Scott insisted that his company's reputation for underpaying its workers is undeserved.

"We almost always pay better" than competitors do, he said, "but that is often overlooked or ignored in the public debate about Wal-Mart."

Scott resisted the idea, however, of an across-the-board pay hike for Wal-Mart employees, saying that it would cut too deeply into the company's profit margins.

"Last year we earned ten billion in profits, so our critics argue that we should pay more to our associates," Scott said, using Wal-Mart's term for employees.

"But I ask anyone to do the math. Even slight overall adjustments to wages eliminate our thin profit margin," he said.

He noted, however, that the company might stand to gain if Wal-Mart shoppers -- many of whom are of modest means -- had more money in their wallets.

"We can see first-hand at Wal-Mart how many of our customers are struggling to get by," Scott said, noting that some "simply don't have the money to buy basic necessities between paychecks."

Last week the US Senate voted down a measure that would have increased the minimum wage by one dollar and ten cents, to 6.25 dollars.

Democrats in Congress said that what's good enough for Wal-Mart ought to be good enough for other employers.

"If Wal-Mart can push for an increased minimum wage, so can the House and Senate leadership," said Democratic Senator Chuck Schumer.

And the author of last week's defeated Senate legislation, Democrat Ted Kennedy, used Scott's speech to renew his years-long battle to raise the minimum wage rate, which was last increased in 1997, to 5.15 dollars from 4.75.

"I have pressed for years to secure an increase in the minimum wage for millions of working families in America. The most recent attempt, just last week, was voted down by the Republicans in the Senate, leaving millions of families to continue to struggle to put food on their tables and pay the rent," Kennedy said in a statement Tuesday.

"Many have claimed that an increase in the minimum wage would hurt the business community, and yet as a head of the largest employer in the country with over 1.7 million employees, Mr. Scotts announcement is an important signal, and I applaud him.

Kennedy added: "When even the head of Wal-Mart -- one of the most anti-worker companies in the world -- says that a minimum wage of 5.15 dollars an hour is out of date, we know its long past time for an increase."
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Scott resisted the idea, however, of an across-the-board pay hike for Wal-Mart employees, saying that it would cut too deeply into the company's profit margins.
So let me get this right: He is for other people raising their wages, but against Wal Mart raising its wages? Ahhhh, OK.
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Default Did you read the article other than that quote you pulled?

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Scott resisted the idea, however, of an across-the-board pay hike for Wal-Mart employees, saying that it would cut too deeply into the company's profit margins.
So let me get this right: He is for other people raising their wages, but against Wal Mart raising its wages? Ahhhh, OK.
He states in the article that for them to increase their wages, they would lose their profit margin. If this is true or not, I don't know. Honestly I don't believe it myself, but giving him the benefit of the doubt, hypothetically. He then goes on to predict that if OTHER companies were forced to pay higher wages, that this money would make up the difference for their own workers.

I have to say I agree with this theory. Putting more money into the pockets of people who tend to shop at Wal-Mart will in turn increase total profits even if they are forced to spend more on their staff.

I never said it was a totally selfless call by Wal-Mart, to increase wages Nationally, but you have to hand it to them for putting it out there.
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would erode its margins, then it stands to reason that ABC Co. raising its wages would do the same thing. And, of course, margins would indeed erode as long as prices stayed constant. So, he is apparently OK with other companies having eroding margins as long as Wal Mart does not. More to the point, since Wal Mart does not listen to anyone tell them how to run their company, they need pipe down. Take care of your own house.
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Default Class Warfare again?

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It's like I always say....conservatives HATE poor people...with a passion. It's a sad world we live in.
Yes, which is why one of the poorest members on the board (Me) is a staunch Conservative. Or let me guess perhaps I'm a new uncle tom? Oh BTW why haven't you yelled down with the bourgeois yet? I mean if you really want to make a class envy/warfare statement might as well do it right .
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It's like I always say....conservatives HATE poor people...with a passion. It's a sad world we live in.
Yes, which is why one of the poorest members on the board (Me) is a staunch Conservative. Or let me guess perhaps I'm a new uncle tom? Oh BTW why haven't you yelled down with the bourgeois yet? I mean if you really want to make a class envy/warfare statement might as well do it right .
If you truely are poor, "one of the poorest members" among us, and also a conservative...I hate to break it to you, but you are cutting your own throat without even knowing it. My father is the same way. Very poor, yet he votes republican time and time again, only to be let down by them each and every time. Why does he continue to vote for them, because he feels that they are protecting us from terrorists. In other words he bought the propaganda that the Democratic party can't protect us from Terrorism. Mind you the last time we were attacked, the most famous in history was under the rule of the Republican party....But let's not get into that whole argument.

This thread is about why minimum wage is so low, and not only that, why do Conservatives tend to vote no each and every time when it comes up for an increase?
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Default Actually, it's simple.

Because it will not do any good. By and large, increasing the minimum wage does not really help the people it is designed to help. In fact, the net effect is usually negative.
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Because it will not do any good. By and large, increasing the minimum wage does not really help the people it is designed to help. In fact, the net effect is usually negative.
It is unfortunate. But we'd probably do better to try to control prices, especially prices for those things that are necessities. In order for increased wages to help, only the lowest wages would have to increase. But when minimum wage goes up, so typically do other wages. Wage is not just a number. It is the ability to get needed things and is dependent on other variables.
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Default and it was voted down

because the democrats didn't want to exempt small businesses. They claim to care about small business, but are unwilling to exempt them policies that will only wipe them out and make the Wal Mart's of the world even stronger. I'm starting to wonder if some of them just like it better when they have something to complain about.
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Default Reference please....

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because the democrats didn't want to exempt small businesses. They claim to care about small business, but are unwilling to exempt them policies that will only wipe them out and make the Wal Mart's of the world even stronger. I'm starting to wonder if some of them just like it better when they have something to complain about.
Please sight a specific source for this statement.
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