Russian backed Cheychan president killed in bombing.

Darken · #1 (**permalink**) 05-09-2004, 11:35 AM

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor...a_explosion_20

Will Putin be able to crack down or what?

Darken

SporkLord · #2 (**permalink**) 05-09-2004, 12:28 PM

...the news from Yurup comes second the fascinating twists and turns of the US presidential race, or even better yet Iraq.

Russian tanks will be rolling back into Grozny, again... to leave bloodied, again. This 'war on terrorism' has been going for ten years there, the US should invade Chechenya to get those (*)(*)(*)(*) terrurists. It worked wonders in Afghanistan and Iraq.

SenaxFlatulus · #3 (**permalink**) 05-09-2004, 02:43 PM

I, for one, would love to hear more news from the rest of the world instead of the parlor game being played in Washington on what to do about the terrible terrible crime against the Iraqi prisoners.

In the Sudan, millions of blacks are homeless because of the oppressive arab regime there. In other countries, terrorist plots are being thwarted and the perpetrators are being caught.

I agree with Spork... the mainstream media is so fixated upon this "scandal" that nothing else matters. It illustrates why citizens of other countries think all Americans are self centered. Just look at our media and what they're reporting. It's past being silly.

trot · #4 (**permalink**) 05-09-2004, 05:36 PM

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I, for one, would love to hear more news from the rest of the world instead of the parlor game being played in Washington on what to do about the terrible terrible crime against the Iraqi prisoners.

In the Sudan, millions of blacks are homeless because of the oppressive arab regime there. In other countries, terrorist plots are being thwarted and the perpetrators are being caught.

I agree with Spork... the mainstream media is so fixated upon this "scandal" that nothing else matters. It illustrates why citizens of other countries think all Americans are self centered. Just look at our media and what they're reporting. It's past being silly.

Senax, some of us have tried to get discussions going on other issues to no avail.

The situation in Chechenya shows once again that very rarely is there a military solution to issues such as this.

Without getting into the pro's and con's of the matter, the Russians have overwhelming military superiority but have not been able to stop the Chechenyan rebels (or terrorists). When will the lesson be learned that self determination is a force that cannot be stopped.

Trot

JP5 · #5 (**permalink**) 05-09-2004, 06:21 PM

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...the news from Yurup comes second the fascinating twists and turns of the US presidential race, or even better yet Iraq.

Russian tanks will be rolling back into Grozny, again... to leave bloodied, again. This 'war on terrorism' has been going for ten years there, the US should invade Chechenya to get those (*)(*)(*)(*) terrurists. It worked wonders in Afghanistan and Iraq.

Nah. We're gonna let Finland take that one!

JP5 · #6 (**permalink**) 05-09-2004, 06:24 PM

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I, for one, would love to hear more news from the rest of the world instead of the parlor game being played in Washington on what to do about the terrible terrible crime against the Iraqi prisoners.

In the Sudan, millions of blacks are homeless because of the oppressive arab regime there. In other countries, terrorist plots are being thwarted and the perpetrators are being caught.

I agree with Spork... the mainstream media is so fixated upon this "scandal" that nothing else matters. It illustrates why citizens of other countries think all Americans are self centered. Just look at our media and what they're reporting. It's past being silly.

Senax, some of us have tried to get discussions going on other issues to no avail.

The situation in Chechenya shows once again that very rarely is there a military solution to issues such as this.

Without getting into the pro's and con's of the matter, the Russians have overwhelming military superiority but have not been able to stop the Chechenyan rebels (or terrorists). When will the lesson be learned that self determination is a force that cannot be stopped.

Trot

"Self Determination?" Is that what you call it? So....what you are saying is that terrorism cannot be stopped? Just give in and let them take over the world by blowing people that don't agree with them up?

trot · #7 (**permalink**) 05-09-2004, 07:30 PM

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I, for one, would love to hear more news from the rest of the world instead of the parlor game being played in Washington on what to do about the terrible terrible crime against the Iraqi prisoners.

In the Sudan, millions of blacks are homeless because of the oppressive arab regime there. In other countries, terrorist plots are being thwarted and the perpetrators are being caught.

I agree with Spork... the mainstream media is so fixated upon this "scandal" that nothing else matters. It illustrates why citizens of other countries think all Americans are self centered. Just look at our media and what they're reporting. It's past being silly.

Senax, some of us have tried to get discussions going on other issues to no avail.

The situation in Chechenya shows once again that very rarely is there a military solution to issues such as this.

Without getting into the pro's and con's of the matter, the Russians have overwhelming military superiority but have not been able to stop the Chechenyan rebels (or terrorists). When will the lesson be learned that self determination is a force that cannot be stopped.

Trot

"Self Determination?" Is that what you call it? So....what you are saying is that terrorism cannot be stopped? Just give in and let them take over the world by blowing people that don't agree with them up?

I can remember not so long ago when an apartment building was blown up in Moscow by Chechenyans and the Russians responded with massive force, they (the Russians) were criticised by the US for not negotiating with the Chechenyan fighters (as they were called then).

Come on JP try and remember the facts.

Cheers,

Trot

JP5 · #8 (**permalink**) 05-09-2004, 07:38 PM

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I, for one, would love to hear more news from the rest of the world instead of the parlor game being played in Washington on what to do about the terrible terrible crime against the Iraqi prisoners.

In the Sudan, millions of blacks are homeless because of the oppressive arab regime there. In other countries, terrorist plots are being thwarted and the perpetrators are being caught.

I agree with Spork... the mainstream media is so fixated upon this "scandal" that nothing else matters. It illustrates why citizens of other countries think all Americans are self centered. Just look at our media and what they're reporting. It's past being silly.

Senax, some of us have tried to get discussions going on other issues to no avail.

The situation in Chechenya shows once again that very rarely is there a military solution to issues such as this.

Without getting into the pro's and con's of the matter, the Russians have overwhelming military superiority but have not been able to stop the Chechenyan rebels (or terrorists). When will the lesson be learned that self determination is a force that cannot be stopped.

Trot

"Self Determination?" Is that what you call it? So....what you are saying is that terrorism cannot be stopped? Just give in and let them take over the world by blowing people that don't agree with them up?

I can remember not so long ago when an apartment building was blown up in Moscow by Chechenyans and the Russians responded with massive force, they (the Russians) were criticised by the US for not negotiating with the Chechenyan fighters (as they were called then).

Come on JP try and remember the facts.

Cheers,

Trot

So what? We also criticize Israel when we think they respond with too much force. Doesn't mean that we don't also understand why they do it.

trot · #9 (**permalink**) 05-09-2004, 07:51 PM

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I, for one, would love to hear more news from the rest of the world instead of the parlor game being played in Washington on what to do about the terrible terrible crime against the Iraqi prisoners.

In the Sudan, millions of blacks are homeless because of the oppressive arab regime there. In other countries, terrorist plots are being thwarted and the perpetrators are being caught.

I agree with Spork... the mainstream media is so fixated upon this "scandal" that nothing else matters. It illustrates why citizens of other countries think all Americans are self centered. Just look at our media and what they're reporting. It's past being silly.

Senax, some of us have tried to get discussions going on other issues to no avail.

The situation in Chechenya shows once again that very rarely is there a military solution to issues such as this.

Without getting into the pro's and con's of the matter, the Russians have overwhelming military superiority but have not been able to stop the Chechenyan rebels (or terrorists). When will the lesson be learned that self determination is a force that cannot be stopped.

Trot

"Self Determination?" Is that what you call it? So....what you are saying is that terrorism cannot be stopped? Just give in and let them take over the world by blowing people that don't agree with them up?

I can remember not so long ago when an apartment building was blown up in Moscow by Chechenyans and the Russians responded with massive force, they (the Russians) were criticised by the US for not negotiating with the Chechenyan fighters (as they were called then).

Come on JP try and remember the facts.

Cheers,

Trot

So what? We also criticize Israel when we think they respond with too much force. Doesn't mean that we don't also understand why they do it.

Just another example of blatant hypocrisy. Once they were viewed as freedom fighters now they are terrorists. What has happened to change that view from the US administration, the US has invaded Iraq.

Has parallels with the US support for Iraq in that dreadful war with Iran.

I do not condone the actions of the Checheyans and never have. But I always believed that there was unlikely to be a military solution to the problem, just as there is no military solution to the Palestinian problem.

Cheers,

Trot

SporkLord · #10 (**permalink**) 05-10-2004, 08:36 AM

Russia has practically always called the Chechens terrorists, only recently the international media has begun to pick up the term, they used to be either rebels or fighters in the eyes of the media. The evil post-Cold war Russia sold better, nowadays, fighting terrorists does.

JP5, you might note this whole issue is about Chechen independence, not an ideological difference. As time and time again has been proven the Russian military, though superior, cannot combat the rebels in the mountanous terrain, that is without leaving the whole of Chechenya a smouldering crater.

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