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Yes he is and it wrong for the judge to let this go public.
Your not backing up your assertion. I think you might, might be lying. There its out there. If I'm wrong and you provide proof I'll apologize.
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Lots of fathers pay child support for kids they dont have custody of.
True - but my question is this: Is it fair?
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True - but my question is this: Is it fair?

The Law isnt always fair. The person with the Primary custody has 100% control over that trial. Im sure A visitation schedule could be worked out.
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What do you mean? Has Levi ever been in trouble for the things I mentioned? No - so what reason could Sarah (or Bristol) possibly have for wanting to deny him the right to raise his son?

And here's another point - lets say Palin wins this case and Levi loses custody - will Levi be expected to pay child support for a son he doesn't have custody of?
If you know anything about divorce cases where there are children involved you would know:

Visitation and child support have nothing to do with each other.

Many parents don't have visitation rights but they still have to pay their child support.
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If you know anything about divorce cases where there are children involved you would know:

Visitation and child support have nothing to do with each other.

Many parents don't have visitation rights but they still have to pay their child support.
Your laws are probably different to ours.

It is unfair to expect someone to pay child support when you don't have visitation rights. You are not involved in the childs life, do not see your child, but are expected to fork over money every week or so?

If Bristol gets custody, then I expect her and her family to pay for Tripp's upbringing - not Levi.
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No one has ever denied that Levi is the child's father - in fact, they were very open and public about it during the campaign. Levi has a right to see and spend time with his son. If he's being refused those rights, he should go to the courts.


And considering Sarah's deep involvement in her sister's divorce and custody suit - which almost cost her sister custody of her children - I think he had good reason to request that the proceedings be open and the judge had good reason to make the decision he did.



How very nice of you to defend a man that uses his profession in law enforcement as a cover to beat up women and children. I expected no less from you Anna.

And I wouldn't expect anything less of you than to form opinions off the top of your head without knowing anything about it. Which women and children have Wooten beaten up in the course of his law enforcement duties?

This judge presided over the Wootens' divorce and custody case for 3 years. He had caseworker reports, hearings, testimony and other evidence to base his decisions on. He heard testimony from witnesses on every issue in the case. His final decision was based on that and since the custody case is on-going until the children are of age, will be following them through the same kind of reports derived from home visits, etc.

I'm not defending Wooten - I'm saying that the judge in the Bristol/Levi case is obviously aware of Sarah Palin's destructive interference in the Wooten case where that judge finally threatened to take the children from their mother and give them to their father if she didn't stop. He called it emotional child abuse. That judge had had the true facts available to him to make his decision over a long period and judges don't make decisions lightly where minor children are concerned.
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Your laws are probably different to ours.

It is unfair to expect someone to pay child support when you don't have visitation rights. You are not involved in the childs life, do not see your child, but are expected to fork over money every week or so?

If Bristol gets custody, then I expect her and her family to pay for Tripp's upbringing - not Levi.
I have to disagree. I think in the case where the father is decidedly an extreme dirtbag and could potentially jeopardize the safety of the child, it's acceptable to force said dirtbag to shoulder his share of the burden and disallow visitation rights.

That being said, denying visitation rights just because you still hold a grudge is, however, a completely different matter.
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You honestly think this is from Levi?
This is from his attorney.
Lock stock and barrel.

Of course it was written by Levi's attorney - on Levi's behalf. Levi would have read it before he signed it. That's what attorneys do - what you pay them for.
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The Law isnt always fair. The person with the Primary custody has 100% control over that trial. Im sure A visitation schedule could be worked out.

The JUDGE has 100% control over the case - no one is on trial here. Bristol has physical custody of the child. Without a hearing - and I haven't heard that there's been one - she couldn't have done anything at this point other than ask for temporary custody which would apply until they all appear in court and the judge determines what's what and awards custody.

In most cases, a Guardian ad Litem is appointed for the child - an attorney who will represent the child's interests. If it's contested, there will be investigations into both home situations, the parents - whether they're able to provide a stable home for the child on their own, and whether either parent is unfit or a danger to the child. I doubt seriously this is going to turn out any way other than Bristol keeping physical custody and receiving child support and Levi having either joint custody or very liberal visitation rights.

In fact, at this point, if Levi has made any amount of money from posing for magazines and so forth, he's probably more able to support the child than Bristol is. Bristol as far as I know is living with her parents and they're supporting her and the child. If for any reason she had to go out on her own without their help, I don't know if she could provide a home for the child or not.
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Just a point here - the same laws that can hold an unwilling father responsible for a child that has been proven through DNA testing to be his and require him to pay child support even if he never sees the child and wants nothing to do with his upbringing - will almost always give a WILLING father who WANTS his child and WANTS to be a part of his life and upbringing and has been DENIED that right by the child's mother (or grandmother) generous custody and visitation rights. The father would have to be proved to be violent, criminal, morally unfit or a danger to the child to lose his parental rights and I don't think posing for Playgirl or anything his mother has done will qualify - just as the fact that Bristol's mother is such a good, honest Christian will have no bearing on custody, either.
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