Some people have claimed that there was no need for the McCain Amendment on the grounds that, except for the supposedly isolated incidents at Abu Ghraib, we have not used torture as a policy. Just to set the record straight, we have. This is from factcheck.org, which is the same site that debunked Fahrenheit 911 and the Bush "AWOL" claims, so it has no political agenda. I warn you, however, that though it is all text, what it describes is deeply disturbing. The tactics that have been used at Guantanamo Bay are shameful beyond words. Here are the grim facts about what Cheney, Gonzales and others have been authorizing:

http://www.factcheck.org/article365.html

Amnesty International was right on target about this one.

The entire article came up with one incident, an incident that is being resolved in a court. The balance of allegations come from Amnesty International, a far left wing organization. There is no evidence presented supporting a single one of their allegations. In fact, according to your link, "The report (Amnesty International) stopped short of accusing the US of ordering that prisoners be tortured"

The US does not use torture.

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"Victory at all costs, victory in spite of all terror, victory however long and hard the road may be; for without victory, there is no survival."
Winston Churchill

And that is exactly the way the administration wants it. They do not allow the UN to visit our prisons. They do not allow the Red Cross unsupervised visits with detainees. There is no transparancy in the detention or in the investigation of claims.

So while muliple "allegations" of torture are dismissed over and over again by the right wing, the fact that there is no answers given makes me suspect that the secrecy, like all of this administrations secrecy is not to advance national security, but to protect this administration from going to jail.

IF you support this administration, this is what you stand for:

http://hrw.org/english/docs/2005/12/19/afghan12319.htm

http://hrw.org/english/docs/2005/11/21/usdom12069.htm

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...-2005Mar2.html

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/s...toryId=4977986

So I have only one question for you Barney, IF this is not torture, then I guess you would be willing to submit to a single day of this treatment to prove it as such. (Of course you could end up dead, but that is not torture, I guess in your eyes)

And if our actions are legal, then why is the "dark prison" or the "salt pit" and who we keep there so secret?

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"The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left."
Ecclesiastes 10:2 (NIV)

You can't defeat evil enemies by becoming like them. You can win a military victory, but then you have won it for nothing. There was far more than one incident, I might add.
By the way, I blame Clinton for letting the attacks happen. He set up the wall of information and ignored data mining intelligence that could have prevented the 9/11 attacks. I don't blame Bush for September 11th and I won't blame him if there is another terrorist attack. I do, however, blame Cheney, Rumsfeld and Gonzales for supporting and covering up horrific acts of torture. I'm not referring to keeping somebody under the hot lights for half an hour too long; I'm writing about Abu Ghraib level tortures that have occurred with disturbing frequency at American-run prisons such as Guantanamo Bay.

Yup, this country "has endured far worse" than the bush administration.. but (*)(*)(*)(*), thats a helluvathing to feel good about.

Makes me kinda miss Bubba and the good ol'days when the worst news was a presidential bj in the white house. What we got now aside from the USA taking over the gulag & torture business from the USSR & Saddam, Junior also invaded a country on wrong intel.

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"When I'm in command, every mission is a suicide mission!" -Capt. Zapp Branigan
The United Church of the Latter Day Tangential Tarts

Yea, try to scare everyone.. WE ARE ALL GOING TO DIE unless we give the almighty President "wartime" powers to do whatever he wants.

First, this "wartime" call is BS, we have been fighting terrorists for decades, like the "war on drugs" the "war on terror" will be never ending. So I am not giving unlimited powers to an enemy that is so ambigous that we can never say when they are defeated.

Second, The odds of dying in a terrorist attack are way lower than so many other odds. So why not have all civil rights revoked to fight drunk drivers. Civil rights are not negotiable.

Third, Speaking of chicken little. We had 8 years between the only two terrorist attacks ever in this country. Yet it is justification for destroying the freedom that makes America great. WHO is overreacting?

Fourth, I am willing to die for American freedom. This mean I am willing to take a minutely higher risk of being killed, than I am in destroying those freedoms. Giving unchecked powers to government is a slippery slope that I am not willing to dance just over the edge of.

So Hard Driver....why are you just now worried and concerned about it? Does Echelon ring a bell?

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"This is a time for a national imperative not to fail in Iraq." Condoleeza Rice, January 11, 2007

I'm glad Bush is in charge and not some hippy democrat who would take the terrorists out for ice cream.

Or we could act like you, after seeing a wolf eat your brother and sisters you want to pet the wolf when it is at our door and give it a Scooby Snack so we can understand it, and get upset when someone says to you hey shut the door well I go to the upstairs window and shoot it.

I agree, saying where going to fight a "war on terror" is like saying where going to fight a "war on ballistics". I'd love to call this war what it was a War against Islamic Fascism. But we could never be so anti-PC because we dont want to "offend" other Muslims.

And what civil right have you lost? Your on a message board in the United States of America talking about how much you hate George Bush and the Republican's the people who currently run the country. Yeah your right have totally been destroyed by that evil nazi George "W" Bush.

So let me get this straight, you believe the citizens of the United States have been attacked only twice in 8 years?

[color=red] As am I. In fact I even support a draft if it is needed and if I was drafted I would serve like my family before me. Why don't I join ATM? My Fiancee said she would never marry me if I joined the service and I love her so I had to make a choice.[/red]

Neither am I. in fact I want alot of power returned to the states that would make you mad as hell. But I'm also not a moron who is going to yell and scream everytime we attempt to counter Islamic fascist actions.

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Nobody with open eyes can any longer doubt that the danger to personal freedom comes chiefly from the left. - F.A. Hayek

Where have all the Conservatives Gone?

There is always hope, as long as one can think.

The natural progress of things is for liberty to yield and government to gain ground.- Thomas Jefferson