"Clinton would have gone into Iraq too" - Page 3

DuH2 · #21 (**permalink**) 12-29-2005, 02:00 PM

The US was moving towrds invading Iraq with or without 9/11 it was one of the argueing points between Gore and Bush in 2000. By the end of the 1990's people where tired of playing games with Saddam.

Everyone but those with selective memories and outright liars know this.

Its also a given the vast majority of them would support the war if Clinton Gore or Mr "D" was in power. Course they don't have the honesty to admit it.

Hard-Driver · #22 (**permalink**) 12-29-2005, 02:05 PM

The Office of Special Plans is pretty much the definition of Cherry Picking.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story...999737,00.html

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The OSP had access to a huge amount of raw intelligence. It came in part from "report officers" in the CIA's directorate of operations whose job is to sift through reports from agents around the world, filtering out the unsubstantiated and the incredible. Under pressure from the hawks such as Mr Cheney and Mr Gingrich, those officers became reluctant to discard anything, no matter how far-fetched. The OSP also sucked in countless tips from the Iraqi National Congress and other opposition groups, which were viewed with far more scepticism by the CIA and the state department.

There was a mountain of documentation to look through and not much time. The administration wanted to use the momentum gained in Afghanistan to deal with Iraq once and for all. The OSP itself had less than 10 full-time staff, so to help deal with the load, the office hired scores of temporary "consultants". They included lawyers, congressional staffers, and policy wonks from the numerous rightwing thinktanks in Washington. Few had experience in intelligence.

"Most of the people they had in that office were off the books, on personal services contracts. At one time, there were over 100 of them," said an intelligence source. The contracts allow a department to hire individuals, without specifying a job description.

As John Pike, a defence analyst at the thinktank GlobalSecurity.org, put it, the contracts "are basically a way they could pack the room with their little friends".

"They surveyed data and picked out what they liked," said Gregory Thielmann, a senior official in the state department's intelligence bureau until his retirement in September. "The whole thing was bizarre. The secretary of defence had this huge defence intelligence agency, and he went around it."

In fact, the OSP's activities were a com plete mystery to the DIA and the Pentagon.

barney-fife · #23 (**permalink**) 12-29-2005, 02:14 PM

Your source is a joke.

DuH2 · #24 (**permalink**) 12-29-2005, 02:16 PM

SO did Clinton..so did Hoover..so did Linclon.. so did Carter.. so did Reagan ...so did Kennedy ..so did Taft...so did both the Roosevelts ...so did Washington. Take your pick they all did.... and if thats not enough name any leader ever in the history of the world and the same.

Childish argument to make against anything.

FMM · #25 (**permalink**) 12-29-2005, 02:33 PM

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Your source is a joke.

Comparitively speaking, Barn, it's your lack of sources that make your position of Congress and Bush seeing the same intel look the far more humorous than anything else put forward by anyone else.

raytri · #26 (**permalink**) 12-29-2005, 02:39 PM

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The US was moving towrds invading Iraq with or without 9/11 it was one of the argueing points between Gore and Bush in 2000.

Really.
http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2000/res...re.they.stand/

Foreign policy is way down at the bottom of the link. Here's what it says:

Gore: Supports current administration policy of economic sanctions and "containment" of Iraq.

Bush: Supports economic sanctions against Iraq. Urges increased support for opposition forces seeking to oust Hussein. Supports air-strikes on any Iraqi site producing weapons of mass destruction.

I don't see either of them advocating an invasion.

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Its also a given the vast majority of them would support the war if Clinton Gore or Mr "D" was in power. Course they don't have the honesty to admit it.

With mind-reading and fortune-telling skills like that, you must be a billionaire.

DuH2 · #27 (**permalink**) 12-29-2005, 03:00 PM

Yes really..Anyone alive during that time and paying any attention at all knows the US was sick and tired of Iraqs crap and that judgement day for Saddam was coming 9/11 or not and regardless of which party was elected.

Don't have to be a mind reader to know a BS'r when I see one.

raytri · #28 (**permalink**) 12-29-2005, 03:22 PM

Well if it was that obvious, then surely you can provide me a credible link or two to prove it?

I was alive and paying attention. And there was no drumbeat for invading Iraq until after 9/11.

BroncoBilly · #29 (**permalink**) 12-29-2005, 03:58 PM

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Well if it was that obvious, then surely you can provide me a credible link or two to prove it?

I was alive and paying attention. And there was no drumbeat for invading Iraq until after 9/11.

...where do you suppose the WMD's went? Or is it you just believe saddam was being truthful and never had them..

I noticed you haven't responded to the Chicago Tribune article that was posted regarding the reasons for our attacking Iraq. You usually have at least a sensible response, and not solely opinion.

raytri · #30 (**permalink**) 12-29-2005, 04:25 PM

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...where do you suppose the WMD's went? Or is it you just believe saddam was being truthful and never had them..

Dunno. But "they've got to be around here *somewhere*" is a lousy basis for an invasion.

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I noticed you haven't responded to the Chicago Tribune article that was posted regarding the reasons for our attacking Iraq. You usually have at least a sensible response, and not solely opinion.

Just finished posting in that thread.

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