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Old 12-30-2005, 06:55 AM
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Since we're speculating and all...
Isn't it conceivable that Clinton would have just taken out his magic wand and turned Saddam into a gopher?
While we're at it, let's specualte on what Mussolini would have done if he was President during the Revolutionary War and how the founding fathers probably would have opposed them. Then we can move on to what would happen if Stanley Laurel was the High Priest of the New World Empire during the war between the djinn and how the Vaudeville Party would react.
It makes life so much easier for partisans on one side to lump everyone who disagrees as partisans for the opposite side who support the other side no matter what. It makes them capable of making arguments about "Well if [insert name of past politician] was in charge, you'd be on his/her/it's side."
But let's face it. This whole line of thinking is FANTASY. It didn't happen. This is pure speculations based primarily on Grade A preconceived notions.
All things constant, both sides of the argument are heavily exaggerated in this real case and would be even if the President was a Democrat or a Vaudevillian. But one side deserves a bit more scrutiny because it took us into war.
Though personally I think Laurel would have pulled out of Iraq and the living dead plague would be set off by terrorists in Chicago. (*)(*)(*)(*) good thing that Bush is president and not a dead comedian.
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Did you somehow miss the oil for food scandle over the last year and a half?
The UN couldn't butter toast without the help of the USA
So what? That's the UN's problem. If they want to let dictators ignore their resolutions, that's their right. It destroys their credibility, but it's their resolution, not ours.

"Violating UN resolutions" did not give the U.S. the right to invade without explicit UN approval. That's like us choosing to invade North Korea because they violated some agreement with South Korea -- even though South Korea didn't care.
The scandle has indicators that are helping the terrorists, and you don't care?
And if Bush and the USA violated the UN mandates, why not prosecute?
IF there was any meat to be had, you can bet the left would be all over this one.
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The UN is being consistent. They didn't follow through with Saddam. They're not following through with us.
Useless, yes. But consistent.
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The scandle has indicators that are helping the terrorists, and you don't care?
Er, like what? Oil-for-food was good old-fashioned graft, much of it signed off on by the United States and Britain. What did terror have to do with it?

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And if Bush and the USA violated the UN mandates, why not prosecute?
If the UN was unwilling/unable to enforce its resolutions against Iraq, what do you think they would do to the U.S.?

The thing UN haters fail to understand is that the UN, while a high-profile debate society for anti-U.S. nations, is a U.S. puppet. We pay most of its operating expenses, we provide the headquarters, we have a veto over anything important. Plus, by virtue of being the biggest economy and only superpower, we have more influence on other countries' votes than anyone else.

The UN may complain about U.S. actions, but it will never move to a higher level. It certainly could not complain about the U.S. enforcing UN resolutions that the UN itself was unwilling to -- that would have just been bad PR for the UN.
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Looks like we may be very busy enforcing all these violations.
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Did you somehow miss the oil for food scandle over the last year and a half?
The UN couldn't butter toast without the help of the USA
So what? That's the UN's problem. If they want to let dictators ignore their resolutions, that's their right. It destroys their credibility, but it's their resolution, not ours.

"Violating UN resolutions" did not give the U.S. the right to invade without explicit UN approval. That's like us choosing to invade North Korea because they violated some agreement with South Korea -- even though South Korea didn't care.
This is hilarious! You're saying the UN is pretty much worthless as they don't stand behind their Resolutions.....BUT that we should "get apporoval" from this worthless organization whenever we do something???

Yeah, right. If they are worthless....and I agree they are.....I don't want us getting their "approval" on anything!!! The UN sure as heck expects the U.S. to be the military muscle when they want something done, though. As in getting Saddam out of Kuwait in 1991. Next time they EXPECT that from us, I have a certain finger I'd like to give them!!
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This is hilarious! You're saying the UN is pretty much worthless as they don't stand behind their Resolutions.....BUT that we should "get apporoval" from this worthless organization whenever we do something???
I said that if we want to enforce UN resolutions, we should probably find out if the UN wants them enforced.

We don't need UN approval to do stuff. But unless the UN asks, we can't claim "violation of UN resolutions" as a justification.

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The UN sure as heck expects the U.S. to be the military muscle when they want something done, though. As in getting Saddam out of Kuwait in 1991. Next time they EXPECT that from us, I have a certain finger I'd like to give them!!
So you're saying we shouldn't have kicked Saddam out of Kuwait in 1991?
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This is hilarious! You're saying the UN is pretty much worthless as they don't stand behind their Resolutions.....BUT that we should "get apporoval" from this worthless organization whenever we do something???
I said that if we want to enforce UN resolutions, we should probably find out if the UN wants them enforced.

We don't need UN approval to do stuff. But unless the UN asks, we can't claim "violation of UN resolutions" as a justification.

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The UN sure as heck expects the U.S. to be the military muscle when they want something done, though. As in getting Saddam out of Kuwait in 1991. Next time they EXPECT that from us, I have a certain finger I'd like to give them!!
So you're saying we shouldn't have kicked Saddam out of Kuwait in 1991?
Oh, absolutely we should have. But we didn't need UN approval to do it.
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You couldn't trust ol' Slick Willy to tell the truth. And no he wouldn't have. He was a U.N. ***** and wouldn't dare do anything that they wouldn't agree with. He wasn't brave enough to do what was right even if all of America was for it because he was too worried of what the rest of the world thought of him. He wasn't a good president. He just rode into office on the back of an already booming economy and hasn't done **** for this country at all. Oh wait. I was wrong. He has. If you could imagine a dentist just taking some pliers and yanking out all of your teeth, then you've got the perfect analogy for Slick's miserable eight years in office. He destroyed our image of a serious country and we've been using a pair of cardboard dentures ever since. However, to get back to the point. Yes. If, for whatever reason, Willy were to have grown a spine and gone into Iraq, the Dems would have followed their twisted leader right in. Not because he was right. Because he was of their party.
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