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Old 02-09-2010, 08:50 AM
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Yep...look how much the Russian respects Obama:
I'm sure we all realize now, after the far-right's passing around the video that they thought was showing Russian's snubbing President Obama that turned out to be Obama introducing the Russian President to the American envoy, that the right is merely projecting their hatred and disrespect for the office of the US President on other people. It's understandable after Bush and Cheney dragged the title of President through the mud.

The context: Obama introduces the Russian President to the American envoy.

What the rightards see: "OMG! Some commie refused to shake Obobo's hand! YES!! That right thar is a dissing! Woohoo! They hate Obama as much as we do! "




However, most rational people, people not blinded by their partisan hate, know that pictures like these are one out of thousands of the same event. The other 999 show the true story while the single picture taken out of context is blown up by the Right and is supposed to be representative.





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Then educate me. What is the definition of American Exceptionalism? This is the third time you've been asked in this thread.
Its believing that America is exceptional. I would have figured you would realize that.

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American exceptionalism is the idea that the United States and the American people hold a special place in the world, by offering opportunity and hope for humanity, derived from its unique balance of public and private interests governed by constitutional ideals that are focused on personal and economic freedom.

The phrase is thought to have originated by Alexis de Tocqueville in his famous book Democracy in America. Some interpret the term to indicate a moral superiority of Americans, while others use it to refer to the American concept as itself an exceptional ideal, which may or may not always be upheld by the actual people and government of the nation. Dissenters claim "American exceptionalism" is little more than crude propaganda, that in essence is a justification for a America-centered view of the world that is inherently chauvinistic and jingoistic in nature. Historians may use the term to simply refer to some case of American uniqueness without implying that an innate superiority of Americans resulted in the development of that uniqueness.
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Its believing that America is exceptional. I would have figured you would realize that.
But exceptional in what way? In the article you posted there are multiple examples of what American Exceptionalism could mean. My question is, what does it mean to you?
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And here we have another bow by Obama. This time to the Ukrainian President.

This seems to be an ongoing thing that Obama does. This is probably about the 5th time I have seen him bow to a foreign leader.

If this doesn't scream weakness, I don't know what does.
It's great to have an authentically humble president as opposed to a poseur, isn't it?
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But exceptional in what way? In the article you posted there are multiple examples of what American Exceptionalism could mean. My question is, what does it mean to you?
It means to me that our nation is a great one. An exceptional nation.

Made up of not only one ethnic people, but of many. Our laws, our constitution, is the greatest governing document that this world has ever seen.

When our nation was created, we told our government only what it could do, not what it can't do.

Our military, economy, industrial drive, medical, hard work, are the greatest this world has ever seen.
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It means to me that our nation is a great one. An exceptional nation.

Made up of not only one ethnic people, but of many. Our laws, our constitution, is the greatest governing document that this world has ever seen.

When our nation was created, we told our government only what it could do, not what it can't do.

Our military, economy, industrial drive, medical, hard work, are the greatest this world has ever seen.
So why do you care so much if your President bows or not? Sounds like youre a little insecure about your greatness there Mike.
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So why do you care so much if your President bows or not? Sounds like youre a little insecure about your greatness there Mike.
I know we are great, its our leader who does not believe it, that bothers me.
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I know we are great, its our leader who does not believe it, that bothers me.
Its called humility and its something I think your President understands very well. Theres no country or leader of any country on this earth that doesnt understand America is the biggest economic and military superpower on this planet so whats he got to prove?
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obviously the other guy does not respect Obama much since he is not bowing back. Come to think of it no one much respects Obama anymore. I heard that French president Sarkozy was questioning Obama's leadership abilities a week or so ago.
That's okay. Our previous President was never questioned....they all knew from the start of his incompetence.


And I love how some Obama opponents loathe Europe and European leaders....but of course give credit to their criticism of Obama.

You better believe if European leaders were praising Obama, they'd wipe it away and say "Those European socialists just like him cause blah blah blah blah"
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Its called humility and its something I think your President understands very well. Theres no country or leader of any country on this earth that doesnt understand America is the biggest economic and military superpower on this planet so whats he got to prove?
Iknoright?

We have ~100 military bases all over the world and 49% of the world's military budget.

When our economy collapsed, the worlds economy followed.

When the U.S. went into Iraq, many countries followed. Including several countries that had nothing in connection with the war....but simply want to please us and be our ally for their own gains...yet reflected their allegiance to us.

To think we need a super aggressive and over-compensating President to make us appear strong is in essence having little faith in the fact that America is very talented in bullying it's way to the top.
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