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Old 02-09-2010, 03:37 AM
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While I consider this person's actions toward his daughter as being child abuse, I don't see how this can be termed 'waterboarding'.
it can't be, bcecause waterboarding is far worse. in waterboarding, you tie the person down in a prostrate, inverted position and pour water DOWN on him -- it's psychologically designed to maximize terror.

however, it's also elaborate. i think this guy acted on the spur of the moment -- he was thinking, hey, waterboarding's cool (because that's what i've been hearing cons say for years) so of course just dunking my daughter's head in a little water is even more cool. ditto the stress positions: he thought, hey, it's cool to force people to stand in agonizing positions for hours, so of course it's extra-cool to force my daughter to sit in her own urine. that's nowhere near as bad.

personally i think it'll come out that cons basically trained this guy.
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While I consider this person's actions toward his daughter as being child abuse, I don't see how this can be termed 'waterboarding'.

Please see the description of waterboarding: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waterboarding

This doesn't sound even remotely similar to the reported actions of this father.


In my opinion this article is a child abuse case that is being incorrectly characterized as waterboarding. Since this article comes from a Liberal blog, I'm not surprised by this dishonest, disingenuous tactic.
I agree with Granite on this. I am amazed that it took a whole page of posts before someone pointed out that this is not waterboarding. This is child abuse and should be treated as such, and that guy obviously has issues and needs psychiatric help. Too bad the kid has to grow up that way.
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...maybe it's because the guy is a friggin' psycho? He's lucky that this happened in Tacoma which is a fairly liberal town. He could have been shot for doing that crap around here.
obviously he's a psycho.

what happens if a psycho enlists in the military and hears for years, from cons, that waterboarding/mock execution and stress positions are perfectly acceptable? you get this.
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I agree with Granite on this. I am amazed that it took a whole page of posts before someone pointed out that this is not waterboarding. This is child abuse and should be treated as such, and that guy obviously has issues and needs psychiatric help. Too bad the kid has to grow up that way.
Yelm police chief Todd Stancil said Sgt Tabor was arrested on 31 January.

The girl was then found hiding in a locked bathroom in the soldier's home, Mr Stancil said on Monday.

"From what I understand it is very similar to waterboarding," Mr Stancil said of the alleged offence, according to the AFP news agency.

"And to make it only worse, the daughter is afraid of water," the police chief told AFP.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/8505376.stm
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"And to make it only worse, the daughter is afraid of water," the police chief told AFP.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/8505376.stm
if she'd have been afraid of bugs, maybe this sicko would have used bugs. that's also in the con room 101 bag of tricks.

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the nauseating parallels pile up. see, cons, what you've wrought.
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Poor kid. I hope she goes to a better home. No child deserves this abuse.If it wasn't waterboarding it would have been something else...but it still would have been abuse.
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obviously he's a psycho.

what happens if a psycho enlists in the military and hears for years, from cons, that waterboarding/mock execution and stress positions are perfectly acceptable? you get this.
There are psychos in all walks of life and in every profession. Just look at Obama's buddy Hasan and what that guy did at Fort Hood 3 months ago. You can blame the military's interrogation techniques for giving this guy ideas if you want. I still blame Islam for turning Brother Hasan into a kook.
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if she'd have been afraid of bugs, maybe this sicko would have used bugs. that's also in the con room 101 bag of tricks.

http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Bush_A...ects_0416.html



the nauseating parallels pile up. see, cons, what you've wrought.
Now you're trolling. You made up that last bit of conjecture all by yourself. This conversation is finished.
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There are psychos in all walks of life and in every profession. Just look at Obama's buddy Hasan and what that guy did at Fort Hood 3 months ago. You can blame the military's interrogation techniques for giving this guy ideas if you want. I still blame Islam for turning Brother Hasan into a kook.
for years, cons have been saying using water to torture people is fine. i was there, i heard it.

it's completely unsurprising that eventually someone would take those words to heart and apply them to someone you never intended.
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Now you're trolling. You made up that last bit of conjecture all by yourself. This conversation is finished.
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the parallel to me is clear. cons made exploiting personal idiosyncracies and fears acceptable, as my link demonstrates. this guy is simply carrying on that philosophy. i don't see where my reasoning has gone astray here. why don't you explain to me how if this guy is listening to cons, that he's not just taking your lessons to heart. he's just applying them to someone you would rather your torture techniques not be applied to.

cons are on record saying fake drowning is an acceptable form of interrogation. ditto stress positions/being forced to be smeared in your own waste (do i need to re-post that horrific picture of the guy from abu ghraib covered in feces? that's what happens in stress positions -- you urinate and defecate yourself). ditto finding out what your victim's deepest fears are and exploiting them.

cons are on record saying all these things are ok. so sorry your disciples are applying these lessons to victims you never intended. but hey, no one ever said publicly endorsing torture would be easy, ethically.
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