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Old 02-09-2010, 02:15 AM
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http://www.alan.com/2010/02/07/us-so...wing-alphabet/

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As his daughter ‘squirmed’ to get away, Tabor said he submerged her face three or four times until the water was lapping around her forehead and jawline.

Tabor, 27, who had won custody of his daughter only four weeks earlier, admitted choosing the punishment because the girl was terrified of water.



Tabor, a soldier at the Lewis-McChord base in Tacoma, Washington, was arrested after being seen walking around his neighbourhood wearing a Kevlar military helmet and threatening to break windows.

Police discovered the alleged waterboarding when they went to his home in the Tacoma suburb of Yelm and spoke to his girlfriend.

She told them about the alleged torture and the terrified girl was found hiding in a closet, with bruising on her back and scratch marks on her neck and throat.

Asked how she got the bruises, the girl is said to have replied: ‘Daddy did it.’

During a police interview Tabor allegedly admitted grabbing his daughter, placing her on the kitchen counter and submerging her face into a bowl of water.

Sergeant Rob Carlson said the punishment was carried out because the girl would not recite the alphabet.
Good for him. That will teach that little terrorist not to mess with the USA and to recite her ABCs when shes told. Its not torture, so he shouldn't get into trouble. I bet he even got WMD locations out of her.




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Old 02-09-2010, 02:26 AM
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I've been seeing random threads titled such in some other forums today, didn't have time to check but now I see exactly how disgusting this is.

How in the hell did he win custody?
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Old 02-09-2010, 02:37 AM
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I've been seeing random threads titled such in some other forums today, didn't have time to check but now I see exactly how disgusting this is.

How in the hell did he win custody?
Custody hearings are already heavily favored towards the mother, so imagine how ****ed up she is for him to have won.
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Old 02-09-2010, 03:04 AM
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Custody hearings are already heavily favored towards the mother, so imagine how ****ed up she is for him to have won.
Then again, seeing as he's obviously mentally disturbed, he may have also just thrown in a blatant pre-emptive attack on her without any malicious forethought on her part.

That happens to. If a couple where no real custody battle is occurring out-of-the-blue states the other parents is <insert vicious lie here> and that they should get the child when neither the other parent or the judge saw it coming, many judges think of that as validation of the liars statement.

Pathetic. But it does occur to.

Which is frankly heartbreaking for the ex-partner if they acted civil because they had no hatred for their ex-partner and thought this could all be settled amicably.
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Old 02-09-2010, 03:10 AM
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Good for him. That will teach that little terrorist not to mess with the USA and to recite her ABCs when shes told. Its not torture, so he shouldn't get into trouble. I bet he even got WMD locations out of her.




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Are you trying to compare waterboarding an innocent 4 year old child to waterboarding a self professed terrorist responsible for the death of 3,000 people? I guess that is a fairly accurate and fair comparison.

Im sure you anti-war are drewling at the mouth that this was a soldier who did this. So how glad are you that this happened so you can continue to propogandize the war?
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Old 02-09-2010, 03:20 AM
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Are you trying to compare waterboarding an innocent 4 year old child to waterboarding a self professed terrorist responsible for the death of 3,000 people? I guess that is a fairly accurate and fair comparison.

Im sure you anti-war are drewling at the mouth that this was a soldier who did this. So how glad are you that this happened so you can continue to propogandize the war?
I'm sure the complete ignorance you're spewing was likely ignored by yourself as well.

A self professed terrorist? Yes, torture usually will make you confess to things you didn't do.

Responsible for the death of 3000 peopl? I don't recall much waterboarding of any of those responsible for the September 11th attacks.

Oh wait, you're suggesting they just be waterboarded because this mythical "terrorist", who you have not convicted in any way of being such, deserves to be tortured as punishment?

Because it certainly sounds like it.

And it certainly sounds like you're taking not only the OP talking about the same ridiculous arguments people like you spout about waterboarding "not being torture" out of context (when anyone who thinks waterboarding is acceptable can try and justify it on a 4 year old girl, go ahead) but also off-topic.

The OP made a joke, specifically about those who think waterboarding isn't torture. He mentioned it in the OP as such.

Don't be so petty as to use a 4 year olds torture for propaganda. Especially when your arguments are poor and easily shut down.
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Old 02-09-2010, 03:23 AM
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I'm sure the complete ignorance you're spewing was likely ignored by yourself as well.

A self professed terrorist? Yes, torture usually will make you confess to things you didn't do.

Responsible for the death of 3000 peopl? I don't recall much waterboarding of any of those responsible for the September 11th attacks.

Oh wait, you're suggesting they just be waterboarded because this mythical "terrorist", who you have not convicted in any way of being such, deserves to be tortured as punishment?

Because it certainly sounds like it.

And it certainly sounds like you're taking not only the OP talking about the same ridiculous arguments people like you spout about waterboarding "not being torture" out of context (when anyone who thinks waterboarding is acceptable can try and justify it on a 4 year old girl, go ahead) but also off-topic.

The OP made a joke, specifically about those who think waterboarding isn't torture. He mentioned it in the OP as such.

Don't be so petty as to use a 4 year olds torture for propaganda. Especially when your arguments are poor and easily shut down.
Im just going to ignore most of your post because it is basically trash.

Im glad you think joking about a 4 year old being "waterboarded" by her military father is really funny. Im laughing my ass off over here.
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Im just going to ignore most of your post because it is basically trash.

Im glad you think joking about a 4 year old being "waterboarded" by her military father is really funny. Im laughing my ass off over here.
me and otter had it out on another one of these threads last night. two things strike me about this case: this dude not only used water torture on his daughter, he also made her sit in her own urine -- a torture that closely approximates stress positions. the other thing that strikes me is that he is described as being genuinely dumbfounded when arrested and notified that his behavior is wrong.

the simple fact of the matter is, cons have been running around for years saying that waterboarding is OK and stress positions are good, clean fun. particularly in the military, these ideas have been making the rounds. well, the thing is, if you run around saying torture is OK, you're likely to eventually run into things like this, where people take the lessons you're teaching and apply them to victims you never intended.

the more cons apologize for torture, the more we're going to see incidents like this. practicing torture is poisonous, it poisons the nation's psyche and stains individual souls.

the longer the wars in iraq and afghanistan go on, the more we're going to see things like this.
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While I consider this person's actions toward his daughter as being child abuse, I don't see how this can be termed 'waterboarding'.

Please see the description of waterboarding: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waterboarding

This doesn't sound even remotely similar to the reported actions of this father.


In my opinion this article is a child abuse case that is being incorrectly characterized as waterboarding. Since this article comes from a Liberal blog, I'm not surprised by this dishonest, disingenuous tactic.

Furthermore, Mr. Nydas, you disappoint me. As a Soldier, you should have been trained to be precise and accurate when reporting information. Tell me, when you are in a combat situation, are you going to employ similar tactics? Are you going to use hyperbole, stretch the truth and imply incorrect correlations when giving reports to your superiors?

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two things strike me about this case: this dude not only used water torture on his daughter, he also made her sit in her own urine -- a torture that closely approximates stress positions. the other thing that strikes me is that he is described as being genuinely dumbfounded when arrested and notified that his behavior is wrong.
Umm...

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Tabor, a soldier at the Lewis-McChord base in Tacoma, Washington, was arrested after being seen walking around his neighbourhood wearing a Kevlar military helmet and threatening to break windows.
...maybe it's because the guy is a friggin' psycho? He's lucky that this happened in Tacoma which is a fairly liberal town. He could have been shot for doing that crap around here.
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