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Old 01-25-2006, 08:12 PM
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I'm not sure how accurate the source is, but it did concern me.
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When it really comes down to it... would you rather see someone in the SC who follows the rules and does what he or she feels is best and within the rules set by precedent

I recall that you are pro-life (tell me if I am wrong) so don't go flipping out on me, but if that is true you should consider Roe to be the worst law in history, and if thats true why would you want to conserve such a decision?


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... or someone who will vote down abortion regardless of precedent or rules?

If you follow what the Constitution says you will have to throw out Roe regardless of precedent. There is no right to privacy in the Constitution period, it was never discussed during the founding of the Republic neither was it later Amended to the Constitution. Therefor it isn't a Constitutional issue, which means the Court has no reason to be involved in it. It is a issue, that is to be delt with the democratic way, which means that if you are pro-life or pro-abortion you support and campaign for individuals that support either side and they then make the laws according to the will of the people. This isn't a judicial issue.


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I doubt it precedent alone is no reason to hold up bad law. Slavery was held up for years because of precedent, as was many other laws. Judges job's are to simply read the words of the law and apply them to the cases presented to them. With that stated I can understand, that at times precedent is a good guiding post to travel down like any piece of historical and traditional information inherited. But we must not conserve something simply because it is old, neither should we conserve something simply because it is set in precedent. If it goes directly against the words of the Constitution, the ideals of the Revolution, and the basic principles stated with the Declaration of Independence (although not a Government paper it is a good historical document where many ideals of our heritage come from) then should we really be conserving that idea/law? In my opinion to conserve and protect that, would be the biggest danger and mistake that we could pass down to the next generation. [/quote]
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[quote="rockyreagan";p="199793"][quote]When it really comes down to it... would you rather see someone in the SC who follows the rules and does what he or she feels is best and within the rules set by precedent[quote]


I recall that you are pro-life (tell me if I am wrong) so don't go flipping out on me, but if that is true you should consider Roe to be the worst law in history, and if thats true why would you want to conserve such a decision?


I do think Roe vs. Wade was an ill-conceived law. But abortion is not the only issue that the SC is involved in. And if we get an ideologue that is just planning to toss out laws he or she doesn't like without value for the Court establishment, I would be frightened what else that person would do. I'm glad to see that Alito is a very sober guy that appears to be right for the job. But he is questionable in some people's eyes as to what he'll do with Roe. But I'd rather have someone like him who seems to be a scholar of the Constitution and respectful of Court procedure than someone who transparently goes in with an agenda and no respect for the Court or Constitution. If he shoots down Roe vs, Wade, power to him. But even if he doesn't, I think there are other issues of equal or greater importance and I'd like to be sure that he will take all issues under good judgement rather than worry about his position on one.
I think there is more to picking a judge than the inclination toward Roe vs. Wade. But granted, if they'd just strike it down, maybe we'd start paying more attention to the other things the Court does.
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I do think Roe vs. Wade was an ill-conceived law. But abortion is not the only issue that the SC is involved in. And if we get an ideologue that is just planning to toss out laws he or she doesn't like without value for the Court establishment, I would be frightened what else that person would do. I'm glad to see that Alito is a very sober guy that appears to be right for the job. But he is questionable in some people's eyes as to what he'll do with Roe. But I'd rather have someone like him who seems to be a scholar of the Constitution and respectful of Court procedure than someone who transparently goes in with an agenda and no respect for the Court or Constitution. If he shoots down Roe vs, Wade, power to him. But even if he doesn't, I think there are other issues of equal or greater importance and I'd like to be sure that he will take all issues under good judgement rather than worry about his position on one.
I think there is more to picking a judge than the inclination toward Roe vs. Wade. But granted, if they'd just strike it down, maybe we'd start paying more attention to the other things the Court does.
Well this is a issue you and I agree on then. Its a reason I was against Meier's, even though Bush gave the wink and the nod that she was against Abortion I expect more than just that in a Supreme Court nominee. I thought you where saying that precedent meant more then what the Constitution itself says, my apologizes.
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What should we expect?

the party that is favour of more authoritarian control?

If that happens, and its looking a certainty, then the USA has no right to lecture any other nation on the planet.
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the party that is favour of more authoritarian control?

If that happens, and its looking a certainty, then the USA has no right to lecture any other nation on the planet.
What in the world?
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I'm all for a third party displacing the Crats... either that or the Crats coming up with a platform... or at least some idea...
This should actually be easy for them due to the typical nature of back-and-forth American politics. It's really sad that they can't manage to do it. The country will suffer from their incompetence. As such maybe they should address that rather than the incompetence of the administration.
But I've been saying that for a while. Not doing any good. Maybe the loyal Crats will figure out it's time to put pressure on them and vote third party. But I'm not holding my breath.
democratic party, they should break from these issues and start a "right to choose" or "human rights" party, and than democratics can create a platform that is more mainstream and appealing to the American people. By the way, what is the democratic platform?
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It's nearly identical to the GOP platform.

Agreed, but most people don't realize it.
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