Red State Pressure Causes Byrd to Crumble - Page 2

raytri · #11 (**permalink**) 01-26-2006, 01:18 PM

Welcome back, BTW.

rockyreagan · #12 (**permalink**) 01-26-2006, 01:25 PM

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Well done, my arse!! He's just trying to save his. And I hope the voters of West Virginia don't fall for it. It's time for Senator Byrd to stay home.

I agree he is myself, but so what? If he continually get blasted with mail from his constitutions to the point where he has to learn more conservative in order to save his own hide I could care less, as long as his voting record shows that. Secondly when election time does come any self respecting conservative should be able to show any weakness with in Sheets arguments, but if Sheets has to continually change his opinion on issues and has to keep going to the right to stay in power their by getting are agenda passed easier I say good for the people of West Virgina for forcing him to do that.

With that said I'm not afraid of the Old Byrd, although half of the state of West Virginia is named after the former Klansman, he can be defeated by a conservative IMO. Until then the more people mail him so he votes with the conservative line and ideal the more I will praise him or any Democrat for doing it. I could care less if he has a R or a D as long as they support or vote for conservative outcomes and ideals. I praise Lieberman all the time when he votes with a conservative ideal, I don't see you getting upset over that.

JP5 · #13 (**permalink**) 01-26-2006, 01:40 PM

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Originally Posted by JP5";p=&quot

Well done, my arse!! He's just trying to save his. And I hope the voters of West Virginia don't fall for it. It's time for Senator Byrd to stay home.

I agree he is myself, but so what? If he continually get blasted with mail from his constitutions to the point where he has to learn more conservative in order to save his own hide I could care less, as long as his voting record shows that. Secondly when election time does come any self respecting conservative should be able to show any weakness with in Sheets arguments, but if Sheets has to continually change his opinion on issues and has to keep going to the right to stay in power their by getting are agenda passed easier I say good for the people of West Virgina for forcing him to do that.

With that said I'm not afraid of the Old Byrd, although half of the state of West Virginia is named after the former Klansman, he can be defeated by a conservative IMO. Until then the more people mail him so he votes with the conservative line and ideal the more I will praise him or any Democrat for doing it. I could care less if he has a R or a D as long as they support or vote for conservative outcomes and ideals. I praise Lieberman all the time when he votes with a conservative ideal, I don't see you getting upset over that.

I agree: as a Democrat, Lieberman has a perfect right to vote with the Democrats most of the time. Or ALL the time for that matter. But usually, he's a man of principle. He voted FOR Judge Roberts. And Alito is just as qualified as Roberts. He did great in the hearings and has nothing in his background that says he shouldn't be a SC justice. It's purely poltics. It's the Dems saying......we expect YOU Republicans to vote for OUR highly qualified liberal judges (Gingsburg).....but we will NOT vote for YOUR highly qualified conservative judges. It's the Dems saying...."we expect YOUR Republican president to replace a 'moderate' SC justice with another "moderate" judge......but we don't expect our Democrat presidents to replace a moderate judge with another moderate judge. Again....as in the case of liberal Gingsburg who replaced a moderate. Republicans voted unanimously FOR her, BTW.

It's clear: Democrats play poltiics with this issue: Republicans do not.
Or at least they haven't in the past. That very well may change next time there is a Democrat president. And I don't want to see any complaining from the Democrats if they do.

JP5 · #14 (**permalink**) 01-26-2006, 01:43 PM

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Originally Posted by raytri";p=&quot

Welcome back, BTW.

Thanks.

rockyreagan · #15 (**permalink**) 01-26-2006, 01:57 PM

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It's clear: Democrats play poltiics with this issue: Republicans do not. Or at least they haven't in the past. That very well may change next time there is a Democrat president. And I don't want to see any complaining from the Democrats if they do.

I agree, on this issue Republicans have voted on candidates based off of their credentials and not their ideology. The Democratic Party though is naturally seeing its "Regan Democrats" get increasingly frustrated and becoming independents, or Republicans. This is leaving the Dem's only with their kook base, and right now the kooks own and run the party, so its only natural that they aren't going to have as much class because right now the inmates run the asylum. I don't know how good of a idea it will be for us to lower ourselves to their standards but it maybe necessary only time will tell. I have no problem fighting like that as long as we don't compromise our principles, and I think it does us much more good to just show the Dem's for what they are, (showing how far from grave they have fallen) and to live up and stand true to our conservative ideals. If we do this we will beat them every time.

f100supersabr · #16 (**permalink**) 01-26-2006, 03:26 PM

Wasn't it just a few months ago that the opposition was calling Byrd a KKK member........ well looks like birds of feather flock together

rockyreagan · #17 (**permalink**) 01-26-2006, 03:38 PM

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Wasn't it just a few months ago that the opposition was calling Byrd a KKK member........ well looks like birds of feather flock together

I still called him a Klansman, and Sheet's Byrd and I hardly saw JP5 or I who have forgiving him for that. Neither of us even support him. I was simply stating that the fact he voted for Alito that I praised him for that vote. I'd applaud him for any vote he gives that will further the conservative cause, but I have always called him what he was which is a Klansman. Where the heck are you coming from?

f100supersabr · #18 (**permalink**) 01-26-2006, 06:39 PM

jp5 wrote

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agree: as a Democrat, Lieberman has a perfect right to vote with the Democrats most of the time. Or ALL the time for that matter. But usually, he's a man of principle. He voted FOR Judge Roberts. And Alito is just as qualified as Roberts

None of the opposition to Alito is due to his judicial qualifications. Most reasonable Demoncrats are opposed to Alito because they fear that he will erode the balance of power between the presidency and the other parts of the government. That balance of power is what keeps the integrity of our system going over time just as the founding fathers set it up.

Anyone who fears a too large government should also fear an unbalance of power between the branches of government. It is very myopic to support an unbalance of powers just because your party is in at this time. Alito in my opinion may vary well be doing that.

I fear that he like other and some on this board are so arrogant right now when their boys are in that are not thinking that historically the pendulum can swing back.

JP5 · #19 (**permalink**) 01-27-2006, 05:47 AM

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Wasn't it just a few months ago that the opposition was calling Byrd a KKK member........ well looks like birds of feather flock together

It was true a few months ago....and it's STILL true. Nothing changed there. Byrd was a KKK member and it's an embarrassment that he serves in the U.S. Senate. Just as it's an embarrassment that Ted Kennedy who left a young girl to drown in a car is still serving in the U.S. Senate.

JP5 · #20 (**permalink**) 01-27-2006, 05:51 AM

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jp5 wrote

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agree: as a Democrat, Lieberman has a perfect right to vote with the Democrats most of the time. Or ALL the time for that matter. But usually, he's a man of principle. He voted FOR Judge Roberts. And Alito is just as qualified as Roberts

None of the opposition to Alito is due to his judicial qualifications. Most reasonable Demoncrats are opposed to Alito because they fear that he will erode the balance of power between the presidency and the other parts of the government. That balance of power is what keeps the integrity of our system going over time just as the founding fathers set it up.

Nowhere in the Constitution does it say the SC must have a "balance of power." Nowhere does it say there must be the same number of Democrat appointees as Republican appointees. The very liberal Ruth Bader Gingsburg replaced a moderate on the court. And the Republicans voted unanimously for her. Too bad Democrats in the Senate are so partisan.

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Originally Posted by f100supersabr";p=&quot

Anyone who fears a too large government should also fear an unbalance of power between the branches of government. It is very myopic to support an unbalance of powers just because your party is in at this time. Alito in my opinion may vary well be doing that.

I fear that he like other and some on this board are so arrogant right now when their boys are in that are not thinking that historically the pendulum can swing back.

And I feel that the Democrats are being so partisan right now that they are not thinking that historically the pendulum can swing back and backfire on them. This WILL backfire on them.

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