Christ also had a fully human nature, which is why the prophets described him as "God with us." God came to us, as one of us. To deny the full humaness of Christ basically also denies his full divinity. God could not redeem what he did not become.

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Are you saying Joseph impregnated Mary?

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"Who can this be? For He commands even the winds and the waves, and they obey Him." Luke 8:25

Would you be one to believe Jesus performed miracles, or one who denies them? Based on your statement, I would expect you to deny, I'll state that out front.

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Tiger got to hunt, Bird got to fly, Man got to sit and wonder 'Why, why, why?'
Tiger got to sleep, Bird got to land, Man got to tell himself he understand.
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What barney is addressing is the dual nature of Christ in most Christian theology. Christ was God, yet Christ was, in a sense, mortal. Christ's divine and human natures acted as one, providing an example of how we should seek to live and be one in Christ. The Holy Spirit placed Jesus in the family of Joseph and the Virgin Mary.

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Good question. I asked him if he believes Joseph actually impregnated Mary. It may seem like a dumb question after that long spill of his, but, I thought he was a Christian? Where did I get that from?

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"Who can this be? For He commands even the winds and the waves, and they obey Him." Luke 8:25

This thread really ought to be in the religion forum. To me, the basic question of why God, if all-powerful, was unable to do something is best understood by a philosophical concept that would undoubtedly be rejected by many Christians but which is not un-Christian in any way: The identity of opposites. In other words, God is all-powerful yet infinitely dependent, God can do anything yet can do nothing and so forth. To claim that such descriptions of God must be false is to claim that God is limited to what human logic can understand.

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"I am a Tory Anarchist. I should like every one to go about doing just as he pleased- short of altering any of the things to which I have grown accustomed." (Max Beerbohm)

Not believing that jesus performed miracles wouldn't make him non-christian. Certain Christians just don't believe the miracle stories. And I don't really think that believing Mary was impregnated by Joseph would make him non-christian either.

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Tiger got to hunt, Bird got to fly, Man got to sit and wonder 'Why, why, why?'
Tiger got to sleep, Bird got to land, Man got to tell himself he understand.
~Bokonon

There are Christians who are subscribing to the Da Vinci Code now. I don't know anywhere in the bible that says "You must believe in the virgin birth to be saved" but I didn't know either that a Christian can pick and choose which parts of the bible to believe, but it is certainly not up to me to decide for them. As for myself, I'm just not taking any chances.

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"Who can this be? For He commands even the winds and the waves, and they obey Him." Luke 8:25

Do you ever eat some pork? The bible says you aren't allowed to do that. You probably don't adhere to the bible as closely as you think you do. People pick and choose because they know the bible was written/translated by humans(which we all know make mistakes). So people have to pick and choose the parts that make sense to them.

This isn't my belief, so I'm taking somewhat of a guess as to what the rationality is here. But it would seem that if god had to put himself into human form to experience the human state, he couldn't have been performing miracles, because humans can't do that. Likewise with the impregnation of Mary. Humans don't spontaniously become pregnant, so god couldn't make his entrance like that either. This non-belief in miracles was much more common in the past (many of this countries founders were of this belief). But I'm sure there are some that believe this way nowadays still. I've never known such a person, so I'd be interested in talking to one to see if I'm understanding the rationality correctly. Thats why I asked Barney if he didn't believe in the miracles of Jesus.

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Tiger got to hunt, Bird got to fly, Man got to sit and wonder 'Why, why, why?'
Tiger got to sleep, Bird got to land, Man got to tell himself he understand.
~Bokonon

I believe Jesus was born of a virgin, died on the cross and rose from the dead. I truly believe it, not because a certain religion says I should. I think it is a conviction received from the Holy Ghost, once you open your heart to Christ. I know it sounds impossible, but once you receive Christ, His spirit just opens your mind to believing the seemingly impossible. As my signature line says, Christ lives through me, otherwise I could never believe the things I do. I think the part about the pork is old testament. But I do plenty of things that are sinful, besides eating pork. I try, I really try to follow the commandments, but I fall short daily. At the end of the day though I know can be forgiven. Thank God.

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"Who can this be? For He commands even the winds and the waves, and they obey Him." Luke 8:25