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Old 02-09-2006, 08:03 PM
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I didn't say the majority of Muslims suppoort the Taliban. I did say many of them are content with their existence and if they ended up living under them wouldn't be that put out by it.

Theres another effort going on here.. To make believe the threat only exists in a very rabid minority that can be dealt with by "law enforcement" type activity.

Its not new..its what moveon.org attempted prior to Iraq when it was created to oppose Afghanistan.

IOW for a basic example-- Lets fight the Nazis but not Germany.
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If Afghans didn't mind the Taliban, why did they form alliances that had taken over 10% of the country by the time we invaded? Why were tears streaming down the faces of people who were listening to their own national anthem for the first time in years (it had been banned under the Taliban)? The Northern and Eastern alliances represented the will of most people in Afghanistan. The majority of Afghans opposed the Taliban. Were that not the case, no stable government of its opponents could have been formed in Afghanistan. It is the first rule of any humane foreign policy to separate a people from their government. We fought the German government in World War II but not the German people as a whole.
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I didn't say the majority of Muslims suppoort the Taliban. I did say many of them are content with their existence and if they ended up living under them wouldn't be that put out by it.
Where are you getting this info. Do you have any sources you post for us? Or are you just making this all up as you go along? Or did God come to you in a dream and tell you all this?
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If Afghans didn't mind the Taliban, why did they form alliances that had taken over 10% of the country by the time we invaded?
They where the people in power and pushed out by military force by the Taliban. That 10% you mention is what they had left after losing.

No nation on earths majority is not content to simply go about their lives regardless of who is ruling them. This is clearly shown in every single major military conflict from the BC era to today. Most as we call them "civilians" sit back and watch.



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It is the first rule of any humane foreign policy to separate a people from their government.
Nice sentiment. Not practical or realistic. But it gives you the fuzzies.




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We fought both. You can't fight a war with one without fighting the other its impossible for one and impracticle for another.


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If Afghans didn't mind the Taliban, why did they form alliances that had taken over 10% of the country by the time we invaded?
They where the people in power and pushed out by military force by the Taliban. That 10% you mention is what they had left after losing.

No nation on earths majority is not content to simply go about their lives regardless of who is ruling them. This is clearly shown in every single major military conflict from the BC era to today. Most as we call them "civilians" sit back and watch.
No, most civilians, especially in countries like Afghanistan, are poor, ignorant people who have no control over their government and are just trying to take care of themselves and their families.



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It is the first rule of any humane foreign policy to separate a people from their government.
Nice sentiment. Not practical or realistic. But it gives you the fuzzies.
Well, without such a sentiment we are no better than the worst of our enemies.


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We fought the German government in World War II but not the German people as a whole.

We fought both. You can't fight a war with one without fighting the other its impossible for one and impracticle for another.
We would have been fighting both only if the German people had been united behind Hitler.
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No, most civilians, especially in countries like Afghanistan, are poor, ignorant people who have no control over their government and are just trying to take care of themselves and their families
Like the French, Poles, Dutch, Danes, Norwegians, Confederates, Germans, Japanese, Chinese, welp you name it just about every corner of the earth has been taken from someone at one point in time by someone else.

They all poor and ignorant?
No they are simply people and the vast majority of people in ALL populations will go along with whomever happens to wield power at the time.

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Well, without such a sentiment we are no better than the worst of our enemies.
So what?..You win or lose then you get to play whose the cutest.
We didn't win WWII by playing nice we won it by playing mean.


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Which they where...and we where.
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