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Old 02-09-2006, 07:22 PM
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Default Poll results: Bush stuck in upper 30s

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NBC/WSJ poll

PRESIDENT FACING 'GRAY AND GLOOMY ELECTORATE'

WASHINGTON - Heading into Tuesday's State of the Union address and the beginning of the 2006 political season, President Bush faces an electorate that continues to be dissatisfied with his job performance, increasingly wants U.S. soldiers to come home from Iraq, and believes the Republican Party is associated more with special interests and lobbyists, according to the latest NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll.

The overall political climate for Bush is “gray and gloomy," says Republican pollster Bill McInturff, who conducted this survey with Democratic pollster Peter D. Hart. “In general, people are just not in a happy mood."

A small majority approves of the administration’s controversial use of domestic wiretaps without a court order to track calls between terrorist suspects and U.S. residents. But a majority also believes that these wiretaps could be misused.

The survey shows Bush’s approval rating at 39 percent, which is unchanged from last month’s NBC/Journal poll. (Other recent national surveys have shown his approval rating to be slightly higher, in the low 40s.)

Yet one of the big things that the American people want accomplished is something that Bush — as of now — isn’t prepared to do: bring U.S. troops home from Iraq. Asked which goal they’d pick if America could achieve just one thing in the coming year, 35 percent said they’d choose bringing most of the American forces home from Iraq.

The poll shows that 66 percent want to reduce the number of U.S. troops. Yet just 28 percent want to maintain the current troop level — down from 35 percent in December.
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Old 02-10-2006, 04:00 AM
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Default You're right

Yes, it is true that America has an all-time low approval for him and his war with the Iraqis. Everyone seems to want to have troop numbers lowered.

Let me ask you all a question. Please don't think to high of yourselves when you think of an answer. Here it is: Do you really know everything that is going on in Iraq?

All those egotistically minded people would say yes. But the truth is, only the military does. Therefore I reiterate what Bush said at his State of the Union Address (sorry, may not be word for word): "...it will be up to the military overseas, not the politicians at home."

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All those egotistically minded people would say yes. But the truth is, only the military does. Therefore I reiterate what Bush said at his State of the Union Address (sorry, may not be word for word): "...it will be up to the military overseas, not the politicians at home."

We live in a democracy. In the end it’s the civilians who control the military, not the other way around. Civilians will make the final decision and that includes the American Public. Don’t like it, live in a country that’s controlled by a military regime.

I have printed many articles on this website that have shown the military has been incorrect about the resilience of the insurgency. Also the military is not obligated to be square with the American people. If you truly think that Donald Rumsfeld’s Pentagon gives us the truth you’re in sad shape. Rumsfeld even went so far as to describe the location of WMDs. It was total crap. Also it was reporters not the Pentagon that brought to the attention to the American people that the troops were not adequately armored against roadside bomb attacks. Only a fool thinks that politics doesn’t play a role in the way the military describes the way the Iraqi war is being playing out. In the end, the military and the politicians will have to bow to public pressure. The public has been force to swallow enough lies about this war.
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Do you really know everything that is going on in Iraq?

only the military does.
The Iraqis - you know, those plebs who have lived there for generation after generation, who still live there under occupation - I would hazard a guess that they might know a thing or two about what is happening in their own country.

Or would their opinion only be valid if, having first been properly 'briefed' - preferably naked standing in a puddle of their own (*)(*)(*)(*) in a barren cell, with only a drooling bare-fanged cur for company, and a hick farm girl with a jar of vaseline and a broom shaft - by US military professionals?
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The Iraqis - you know, those plebs who have lived there for generation after generation, who still live there under occupation - I would hazard a guess that they might know a thing or two about what is happening in their own country.

Or would their opinion only be valid if, having first been properly 'briefed' - preferably naked standing in a puddle of their own (*)(*)(*)(*) in a barren cell, with only a drooling bare-fanged cur for company, and a hick farm girl with a jar of vaseline and a broom shaft - by US military professionals?
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Once again, there appears to be a few areas you forgot to highlight. I'll help you out by highlighting them for you. No need to thank me.

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NBC/WSJ poll

PRESIDENT FACING 'GRAY AND GLOOMY ELECTORATE'

WASHINGTON - Heading into Tuesday's State of the Union address and the beginning of the 2006 political season, President Bush faces an electorate that continues to be dissatisfied with his job performance, increasingly wants U.S. soldiers to come home from Iraq, and believes the Republican Party is associated more with special interests and lobbyists, according to the latest NBC News/Wall Street Journal poll.

The overall political climate for Bush is “gray and gloomy," says Republican pollster Bill McInturff, who conducted this survey with Democratic pollster Peter D. Hart. “In general, people are just not in a happy mood."

A small majority approves of the administration’s controversial use of domestic wiretaps without a court order to track calls between terrorist suspects and U.S. residents. But a majority also believes that these wiretaps could be misused.

The survey shows Bush’s approval rating at 39 percent, which is unchanged from last month’s NBC/Journal poll. (Other recent national surveys have shown his approval rating to be slightly higher, in the low 40s.)

Yet one of the big things that the American people want accomplished is something that Bush — as of now — isn’t prepared to do: bring U.S. troops home from Iraq. Asked which goal they’d pick if America could achieve just one thing in the coming year, 35 percent said they’d choose bringing most of the American forces home from Iraq.

The poll shows that 66 percent want to reduce the number of U.S. troops. Yet just 28 percent want to maintain the current troop level — down from 35 percent in December.
Even they admit that their poll numbers are the low end of the average.

And since I love polls ever so much, here are a few more recent ones. Lets start with the whole wiretapping thing, shall we?

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FOX News/Opinion Dynamics Poll. Feb. 7-8, 2006. N=900 registered voters nationwide. MoE ± 3 (for all registered voters). - "Do you think the president should or should not have the power to authorize the National Security Agency to monitor electronic communications of suspected terrorists without getting warrants, even if one end of the communication is in the United States?"

54% Should
40% Should Not
6% Unsure

Associated Press/Ipsos poll conducted by Ipsos-Public Affairs. Feb. 6-8, 2006. N=1,000 adults nationwide. MoE ± 3.1. - "Should the Bush Administration be required to get a warrant from a judge before monitoring phone and Internet communications between American citizens in the United States and suspected terrorists, or should the government be allowed to monitor such communications without a warrant?"

50% Required To Get Warrant
48% Monitor Without a Warrant
2% Unsure

NBC News/Wall Street Journal Poll conducted by the polling organizations of Peter Hart (D) and Bill McInturff (R). Jan. 26-29, 2006. N=1,011 adults nationwide. MoE ± 3.1. - "As you may know, since 2002, the Bush Administration has been using wiretaps to listen to telephone calls between suspected terrorists in other countries and American citizens in the United States without getting a court order to do so. Do you approve or disapprove of the Bush Administration's approach on this issue?"

51% Approve
46% Disapprove
3% Unsure

ABC News/Washington Post Poll. Jan. 23-26, 2006. N=1,002 adults nationwide. MoE ± 3 (for all adults). Fieldwork by TNS. - "As you may know, the National Security Agency has been investigating people suspected of involvement with terrorism by secretly listening in on telephone calls and reading e-mails between some people in the United States and other countries, without first getting court approval to do so. Would you consider this wiretapping of telephone calls and e-mails without court approval as an acceptable or unacceptable way for the federal government to investigate terrorism?"

56% Acceptable
43% Unacceptable
1% Unsure


http://www.pollingreport.com/terror.htm
The polls are clear and consistent....there is no consensus that Bush is doing something people think is illegal or dont approve of.

But "how do people feel about Bush's handling of terrorism in general" you may ask? Lets find out!

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ABC News/Washington Post Poll. Jan. 23-26, 2006. N=1,002 adults nationwide. MoE ± 3 (for all adults). Fieldwork by TNS. - "Which political party, the Democrats or the Republicans, do you trust to do a better job handling the U.S. campaign against terrorism?" Options rotated

41% Democrats
46% Republicans
2% Both (vol.)
6% Neither (vol.)
4% Unsure

FOX News/Opinion Dynamics Poll. Feb. 7-8, 2006. N=900 registered voters nationwide. MoE ± 3 (for all registered voters). - "Which political party -- the Republicans or the Democrats -- do you think would do a better job on each of the following issues? Terrorism."

45% Republicans
31% Democrats
10% Equal
14% Unsure

ABC News/Washington Post Poll. Jan. 23-26, 2006. N=1,002 adults nationwide. MoE ± 3 (for all adults). Fieldwork by TNS. - "Do you approve or disapprove of the way Bush is handling the U.S. campaign against terrorism?" Asked of half the sample

52% Approve
45% Disapprove
2% Unsure

CBS News/New York Times Poll. Jan. 20-25, 2006. N=1,229 adults nationwide. MoE ± 3 (for all adults). - "Do you approve or disapprove of the way George W. Bush is handling the campaign against terrorism?"

52% Approve
43% Disapprove
5% Unsure

ABC News/Washington Post Poll. Jan. 23-26, 2006. N=1,002 adults nationwide. MoE ± 3 (for all adults). Fieldwork by TNS. - "How much confidence do you have in the ability of the U.S. government to prevent further terrorist attacks against Americans in this country: a great deal, a good amount, only a fair amount or none at all?"

19% A Great Deal
31% A Good Amount
39% Only a Fair Amount
11% None at All

ABC News/Washington Post Poll. Jan. 23-26, 2006. N=1,002 adults nationwide. MoE ± 3 (for all adults). Fieldwork by TNS. - "Compared to before September 11, 2001, do you think the country today is safer from terrorism or less safe from terrorism?"

64% Safer
30% Less Safe
6% No Difference (vol.)


http://www.pollingreport.com/terror.htm
Wow...A clear majority in that last poll think we ARE making progress as far as our safety is concerned. A majority consistently approves of the way Bush is handling things as well.
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Default To restate my earlier post.

There seems to be a wide problem lately with people not being able to understand what other people right. Some people are just not open minded and need to stop saying ignorant comments.

For example, I did not say that the military controls the citizens. I believe that the military composes some of the citizens, which is true. But if regular US citizens complain about a war they have never been in, and the military does not, then that shows how ignorant the citizens are. You want us out of Iraq? YOU'RE NOT EVEN IN IRAQ!!!

Once again, ignorant ones, the military should be the ones to decide since they are the ones who experience the things first hand. I might consider your say in things if you had actually been in Iraq. Until then, I think it is fair to let it up to the military to decide.

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Yes, it is true that America has an all-time low approval for him and his war with the Iraqis. Everyone seems to want to have troop numbers lowered.

Let me ask you all a question. Please don't think to high of yourselves when you think of an answer. Here it is: Do you really know everything that is going on in Iraq?

All those egotistically minded people would say yes. But the truth is, only the military does. Therefore I reiterate what Bush said at his State of the Union Address (sorry, may not be word for word): "...it will be up to the military overseas, not the politicians at home."

-Mike Freas
I don't know everything going on in Iraq. I will say this: This war that Bush hornswaggled us into is the biggest mistake ever made by a US President. Remember Vietnam? It is looked back on with deep regret. But that was just us against Vietnam. This is us against half the world. And it has opened a can of worms that can't ever be closed again. Look at Iran now. Those people who were basically free of tyranny actually voted in a militant government, to protect themselves from the likes of us now. Some hangers-on can continue to say "it was the right thing" but you are badly mistaken. It was the worst thing weve ever done. Ironically, Bush played right into Bin Ladin's hand. They have us just where they wanted us, a country divided and bankrupt. How sad.
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Then why Nawbut do you ignore what they say?

Seems kinds odd you tell others to listen to the Iraqi people while not doing so yourself..guess thats just a gift of being on the left..selective listening and amnesiatic memories.
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I don't know everything going on in Iraq. I will say this: This war that Bush hornswaggled us into is the biggest mistake ever made by a US President. Remember Vietnam? It is looked back on with deep regret. But that was just us against Vietnam. This is us against half the world. And it has opened a can of worms that can't ever be closed again. Look at Iran now. Those people who were basically free of tyranny actually voted in a militant government, to protect themselves from the likes of us now. Some hangers-on can continue to say "it was the right thing" but you are badly mistaken. It was the worst thing weve ever done. Ironically, Bush played right into Bin Ladin's hand. They have us just where they wanted us, a country divided and bankrupt. How sad.
http://www.impeachbush.org/site/DocS....pdf?docID=121
I once heard from a friend the following comment:

"If I were bin Laden, I would crawl in a cave and watch the US destroys itself."
You may be leading onto something, and I would like to hear more of your opinion on the war in Terrorism.
As for military troops, my father has served a tour in Iraq and is currently serving another. He says the war is "now in the hands of media," which basically means CNN and such are over exaggerating everything. Just a thought.

But with the growing fear, you cannot know what to expect now.

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