I see globalization as greedy capitalists that send jobs to low wage third world countries to manufacture their wares cheaply and then still charge the same price in the marketplace.

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It's probably great if you aren't one of those workers competing for their jobs with Chinese workers making a buck an hour and no benefits. So what's in it for you magoo? What do you have to gain from China or are you just shooting your mouth off as usual?

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When we talk about Human Rights, let's don't forget about our own human right history particularly before the 60's. We have come a long way, so don't expect any government can take a Short Cut. A restrict trade with China will do no good.

Unless China becomes a democratic country, there will be no significant improvements in Human Rights. However, the progress is there, and China has a long way to go in terms of being a democratic country.

Sometimes Time is the best medicine for healing all wounds. If we could wait for the Berlin wall to come down then why can't we just be more patient with China?

Meanwhile, let's don't forget about spying on people without a court order is just not democratic at all and Detaining someone without speeding trail is something China will most likely to do.

Yes.

Although I love capitalism, my ideology supercedes my desire for wealth. There are things I will not do to become wealthy. There are lines I will not cross.

Where is your line?

...giving those people jobs and income they would not otherwise have...

So the fact that we did evil things excuses China from doing evil things? Is that your logic?

Of course I expect them to take a short cut. They already have us as an example. Therefore, they should know better.

I disagree, but it will probably never happen. The majority does not agree with me on this issue.

Yet.

Why? If the majority of the population is ok with it, it is democratic by definition.

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So the fact that we did evil things excuses China from doing evil things? Is that your logic?

My logic is that don't use our standard to measure other country's policy, we are talking about 1.3 billion people here. To pave a road for Democracy is necessary for China, any rapid movement can cause unsteady and chaos.


Of course I expect them to take a short cut. They already have us as an example. Therefore, they should know better.


What kind of example are you talking about? Our racial injustice in the past? China has no racial problem like we do. What China need to learn from is how to turn her country from Communism to Democracy smoothly.


My Quote: Meanwhile, let's don't forget about spying on people without a court order is just not democratic at all....
Your answer: Why? If the majority of the population is ok with it, it is democratic by definition.

Unfortunately, half of the majority were scared by terrorism and the Bush administration abuse this opportunity to do whatever Bush wanna do.
Our country live by the principle of democracy, if spying people [the act] is not a democratic process then it should not be considered at the first place.

Explain to me why it is wrong to judge another nation's policy.

Do you also feel is it wrong of foreign nations to judge our policy?

How often do totalitarian governments willingly surrender their power? Can you give me a few examples?

Among other things.

Other nations have already made the same mistakes they are making now. Since they have an example, they have no excuse to ignore that example.

They dont get a free pass just because someone else has already done it.

That is an assumption you are making. You have no way of knowing that.

It is your opinion, not a fact. The two are not the same thing.

You have not proven that it is not democratic. Simply making a claim doesnt make it fact. Sorry.

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[quote="Sadistic-Savior";p="213297"]There is nothing wrong to Evaluate other country's policy.
[Remember the bible said that thou shalt not Judge? so I choose the word carefully: Evaluate.]

Not very often! But that is not my point, the Chinese people have been governed by Communist party system for a long time, most of them don't even know what democracy is.
They need time to absorb, to learn and to fight for their democracy.

That is your wish and your assumption!

Yes, when United States makes a mistake, the whole world will notice. Does your parents ask you to change your character to be more like your friend since there's already an example for you to learn? Why don't you change?

It is my assumption but is a good one.
The whole privacy act is based on Anti-Terrorism.

How many democratic countries in the world has adapt this kind of act? They may do that secretly[like our CIA and FBI but not openly].

Explain the difference between "Judge" and "Evalute"

Oh, but that IS the point.

The point is that there will be no "slow" transition of power. It is a delay tactic by the PRC. They will never surrender their power willingly. "Reforms" are an illusion to placate the Chinese masses.

If his charatcer is better than mine, yeah, they do. This is quite common among American families.

We have no way of knowing, since it is probably done in secret if they are doing it at all.

In any event, a majority of Americans know about it and dont seem to care. So, in our case, it is not undemocratic. The representatives that enacted it were freely elected by the American People.

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[quote="Sadistic-Savior";p="213318"]Dear, Please don't ask me to teach you English.
The only differences between Evaluate and Judge is that Evluate is to judge more carefully and sounds better. To judge also imply "To act or decide as a judge."

There will be a slow transition of democracy in China in the future. How slow ? All depends on the Chinese people: How urgent?


Democracy is not a PERFECT system, it has it's fault too. The danger of manipulating people by a party or interest group is a threat to any democratic country.

Holding a politically unpopular view is not in itself prejudice, Not all politically popular views are free of prejudice.

There is no difference between the words. You are claiming that there is. So explain your distinction, or admit that the words mean the same thing.

In other words, I think it is an artificial distinction you made up.

Ah...we have another word for that in English: Euphemism.

So they do mean the same thing. There is no distinction.

"Slow" implies they will allow it to happen eventually. History tells us they probably will not.

It doesnt have to be perfect to be better than everything else.

You make the claim they are being manipulated, yet have no evidence to support your claim. It is just an opinion.

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