Yep. And everyone needs to keep in mind that on a political message board we are all defending our political point of view. That naturally puts us in a defensive mode. We ought to try an experiment sometime.....and each take the "other side" in debate. Think we could do it?

A JP5 vs. TrueBrit battle in reverse?

They could start charging money for this site. (Please don't)

...JP5, I actually think that's a great idea. We could just start a thread somewhere.

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I've spent enough time on college campuses to know the liberal point of view. I myself have been tempted by that side several times, but I never went fully over to the "dark side".

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Do you know, have any idea how stupid, ignorant and arrogant you sound? [quote/]


Not really, but you sure made the case for yourself.





I would be glad to pay your plane fare so you could go to Iraq and just straighten all those stupid people out. Send me your address and I will send you the ticket.

Your disgust at most of us is well-founded. There's a very small number of us, that have seen this war before except it was in the bush, no pun intended.

The same reasoning for keeping our troops fighting and dying there and not withdrawing without delay or conditions was used by LBJ and Nixon. Everyone bought it at for years, and it took 47,000 and lots of protesting to get our voices heard. As of now, it appears that we have not been kicked in the head hard enough to knock some common sense into us, again.

It took many years for the majority of us to understand what was a war not worth winning and dying for. Even today, you find most people here saying that the war was justifiable, and they would do it again. It's really quite pathetic.

It looks like it's going to be years of fighting there, even if we withdrew, not to say we should not withdraw now.

If you were here, it would take a while to find anyone that understands even how absurd it was to be talking about mushroom clouds, when the war started. So, it goes.



win war,

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i allways loved the post with no aguments just insults...
are you saying you bleive theres sarin and mustard gas?

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Like I always thought, at the end of the day there is no difference between the Dems and Repubs.

Where is Pedro Cameo when you need him!!!

Cheers,

Trot

Hoping that these folk who have shi** for brains will listen to reason. They want to believe that the way their country is currently dealing with the situation is the best way. Some people also want to believe that when they die wonderful things will happen. I think that the neo-con opinion about the Iraq invasion results from fear and denial.... and also having sh** for brains.

Unfortunately there is no "must be able to think rationally" prerequisit to being able to vote. I hope that America has a majority of independant, rational thinkers for the next election.

If there is anything that has outraged me more about Bush, other than Iraq, it is his environmental policies and the sad fact that, he is causing environmental destruction on a global scale, which will, in the longterm be detrimental to everyone on the planet, especially those living near coasts (global warming and bioaccumulation of oceanic pollutants).

I am not too confident about what Kerry has to offer but Bush must go.

........And for those of you who don't like expressive people. You should try it sometime. Keeping things pent up inside you only makes you a..... neo-con! (see other post about psychology of political opinions)

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Depends on how you define good.

Full authority of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs was formally handed back to the Iraqi people today at a ceremony held at the Ministry of Foreign Affairs building. Ambassador L. Paul Bremer, III, Coalition Provisional Authority Administrator, congratulated Mr. Hoshyar Zebari, the Minister of Foreign Affairs, and his staff for their many accomplishments, including Iraq’s reinstatement into the Arab League, the United Nations, and Organization of the Islamic Conference.

“Already for months, the professionals of the Iraqi Ministry of Foreign Affairs have been making their own decisions and acting upon them,” Ambassador Bremer remarked.

Sunday, May 9 -- Today Coalition Provisional Authority (CPA) Administrator Ambassador L. Paul Bremer congratulated the Iraqi Minister of Water Resources, Dr. Abdul Latif, for his Ministry’s important advance and progress on the road to sovereignty. Today’s transfer is part of the return of control over Iraq’s ministries to the Iraqi people.

Amb. Bremer Transfers Full Sovereignty to Ministry of Industry and Minerals
Baghdad -- "The return of one of Iraq’s largest employers to Iraqi hands marks a significant milestone on Iraq’s path to sovereignty now just 51 days away" said Ambassador Paul Bremer, Administrator of the Coalition Provisional Authority in a ceremony held on May 11th. Bremer went on to congratulate the Iraqi Minister of Industry and Minerals for his exemplary transparency and public spiritedness.


Its doing far better than what the press doom and gloom is making out but it could have been far far better if Bush and his idiots had not screwed it up as they did. They had no real plans after the war.

The U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID) has according to Andrew S. Natsios, administrator of the U.S. Agency for International Development,

We have rehabilitated eight power plants and are installing three new ones. We are also replacing towers, stringing wires, rebuilding lines and installing new generators.

-- We have played a key role in restoring Iraq's transport and communication systems. Among other things, we have repaired the Baghdad airport and the country's deep-water port. We have rebuilt bridges, improved rail service and repaired the fiber optic network.

-- We expect child mortality and water-borne disease to drop sharply as a result of our commitment to repair and rehabilitate the water and sewerage system throughout the whole of the country. We are in the process of vaccinating 3 million Iraqi children. We are reequipping 600 health-care clinics, training doctors and nurses and distributing high-protein supplementary food rations to hundreds of thousands of pregnant and nursing mothers.

-- USAID has also helped uncover mass graves where as many as 400,000 Iraqi victims of Saddam's genocide campaigns lie buried. Hundreds of thousands of others, including untold numbers of children, died from deliberate neglect, indifference and politically motivated deprivation.

And we're helping the Iraqi Human Rights Association inventory the mass murder that took place under Saddam. A spokesman of the group put things very well when he said that what Iraq needs most of all is "not technicians and engineers" -- "but someone to rebuild our souls."

-- Which brings us to USAID's efforts to rehabilitate and restructure the Iraqi educational system so that it can shed the legacy of four decades of totalitarian rule and enter the ranks of the civilized world as a fully modern and productive nation.

-- We're also working to build democracy at the grassroots, empowering the many enlightened and talented people of Iraq, men and women, who were repressed and silenced under Ba'athist rule.

We have built local governments throughout the country, so they can deliver the essential services a modern Iraq needs. Our efforts have resulted in the formation of councils in 16 governates, 78 districts, 192 cities and sub-districts and 392 neighborhoods representing 80 percent of the country's population.

We've got a lot yet to do -- but what USAID's dedicated workers have achieved so far, sometimes at considerable personal risk, should be a source of pride for every American.
my friend, iraq is not near as bad as sudan and some others. Just because the bbc and others only report the bad newss and ignore the good hardly makes your point.


Hundreds of thousands of children who had not received proper medical care now have up-to-date immunizations and other medical care.

* School attendance, by some estimates, is up 80% from levels before the war. Among those being educated are young girls who previously may not have received proper education.

* Despite much publicity early in the war that power plants had been bombed or sabotaged, what hasn’t received wide publicity is that today Iraq now has more electrical power than it did before the war.

*Hundreds of thousands of people have telephones for the first time ever.

* Textbooks that don't mention Saddam are in the schools for the first time in 30 years.

Finally, by the way, Saddam Hussein himself, one of the most murderous despots of the 20th century, is in prison, awaiting trial for genocide and crimes against humanity.
All can be found at

http://www.cpa-iraq.org/

Yea, I wonder myself. Can't some people understand that if war is declared against Iraq, then the reasons for it should be sound. And if all of the reasons for war given turn out to be false, then there is a big problem because the justification for the war becomes unjustifiable. And a couple of possibly misplaced 15 year old chemical shells doesn't constitute a threat worth over a thousand American lives.

And to just make matters worse. Now we are there we shouldn't cut and run, or any benefits from the war are lost. But the fricking Bush Administration is making the whole situation FUBAR. So is Iraq really moving in the right direction? .... doesn't look that way to me. Time for an exectuve shakeup.