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Old 03-03-2006, 05:20 PM
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And you have not answered this one question. Did the US intentionally destroy the Indian way of life leading to the decimation of their poulation ?! You keap going back to the smallpox blanket. I show you Brits discussing openly you don't want to hear it. You sir are a moron. Not a single person reading this believes that the US did not intentionally destroy the Indian way of life and led to their mass death and the sad state that they are in today .. except YOU. I am not baiting you. This is matter of fact crap. You do not want to accept that what the US did to the Indians makes Israel look like sheep.

Even the roots European colonialism in the US are full of native mistreatment. Columbus ...

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Hi...ing_LMTTM.html

The attempts at resistance gave Columbus an excuse to make war. On March 24, 1495, he set out to conquer the Arawaks. Bartolome de Las Casas described the force Columbus assembled to put down the rebellion. "Since the Admiral perceived that daily the people of the land were taking up arms, ridiculous weapons in reality . . . he hastened to proceed to the country and disperse and subdue, by force of arms, the people of the entire island
"The soldiers mowed down dozens with point-blank volleys, loosed the dogs to rip open limbs and bellies, chased fleeing Indians into the bush to skewer them on sword and pike, and 'with God's aid soon gained a complete victory, killing many Indians and capturing others who were also killed.' "
Having as yet found no fields of gold, Columbus had to return some kind of dividend to Spain. In 1495 the Spanish on Haiti initiated a great slave raid
Columbus was excited. "In the name of the Holy Trinity, we can send from here all the slaves and brazil-wood which could be sold,"
"There now began a reign of terror in Hispaniola." Spaniards hunted Indians for sport and murdered them for dog food. Columbus, upset because he could not locate the gold he was certain was on the island, set up a tribute system."
"Whenever an Indian delivered his tribute, he was to receive a brass or copper token which he must wear about his neck as proof that he had made his payment. Any Indian found without such a token was to be punished."
"how the Spanish punished those whose tokens had expired: they cut off their hands."

Wow .. just like Muslem law ... now I know why you feel so kindered. Don't talk to me about abuse you mother of all hypocrites .. or just mother
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Old 03-03-2006, 05:36 PM
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I did not deny the treatment of Indians.
You've been too busy changing subjects and casting dispersions around that you now are saying I have said things I never did.


I did deny your statements about the mythical Smallpox Blankets and asked for proof. What I got instead was a link from you stating your full of it and another thats questionable by any standards...and then a fussilade of other subjects insults and crap...for god sakes you even pulled in Latin American Foreign Policy under Woodrow Wilson!


Then you have the gall to call me a bigot/racist etc after all the crap you have spewed about Muslims/Arabs/ and Islam in general.

If I was Muslim I'd demand they boot your racist ass off this site..but since I'm not all I can do or will do is rely on their judgement on whether Ritick jr here (or whatever that anti-semites name was) should go the same way he did..which I assume was being banned for his racist garbage.
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Old 03-03-2006, 05:54 PM
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You would demand me booted if you where a Muslem. Of course you would. Just like you'd demand an appology for depicting Muhamed in a cartoon. And if you don't get it you'd burn cars and embasies etc etc. You don't want me here because I'm pointing out that the US has a lot more attrocities and imperialitsic tendencies than could ever be leveled against Israel. The fact that you cannot follow my logic is simply feable mindedness on your part. The fact that I have not been booted for "racism" or insulting you probably reflect on the "powers that be"'s good taste and sense of humor. I make jokes and you are one .. I'm sure they are rather entertained. As for my racism .. I have never called for Muslems to be killed .. I've said that Islam should be held accountable for it's shortcomings .. just like you.
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I don't care if you're here or not.

Its clear to me you're incapable of doing such a simple thing as proving what you claim is a Historic fact. Instead you resort to the old stale routine of arguing everything but... changing what your talking about and insulting the person who dared question your pedlding of a well known MYTH.

Its also good for people to see just how irrational unbalanced and stupid the average racist like yourself is.
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Old 03-03-2006, 10:27 PM
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It's not a myth .. I have given you fisrt person accounts of Brits discussing it openly. You don't accept it because you refuse to accept that the US has done anything bad to the natives on purpose. The # of Indians went from 8 digits to 6 in two centuries of European & US rule magically. "Blankets" is the one point you keep coming back on. It's an old tune .. old like you. You are unwilling to discuss anything else. So at least you admit to the US destroying the native peoples of the land. Lets leave how they did it out of it. You think it had nothing to do with biological warefare ... intentional or otherwise, and I disagree. You refuse to touch on the fact that the bufallo population was killed off to, in large part, destroy the native population. The US has a lot more to answer for than Israel ever does. You just don't want to deal with it so you go back to "blankets". I hope someone else can tell me why Israel should be held to higher standards than the US and Arab countries ?!! You obviously can't, and the obvious reason why is that you refuse to admit that the US and Arab countries commit attrocities that comparitively are horendous. Even in biblical times Jews never had slaves in the terms that the US did up until the 1860s. The US has been an imerialistic country until recently, and many still consider it so. You are the definition of "holier than though", especially since you start wars in 2 countries over 1 terrorist attack, but Israel is supposed to act differently. You make me sick you anti-dentite ... I mean anti-Jew.
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... now call me an anti-semite...

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Old 03-04-2006, 05:05 AM
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Never called you anti-semitc. Arabs are semites as well. I said that you hold Jews to a different standard than you hold yourself or Arabs/Musims. You are a hypocrite and anti-Jewish, but not an anti-Semite. I'm supposed to take crap while you can start a war in 2 countries killing thousands of innocents over one terrorist act. You are almost saying that if Israel just appeased the Arabs/Muslims all these problems wouldn't come up in the first place. Why don't these Jews just go away. Well ... I ain't going anywhere and yourself and these Arabs better start getting used to it. I have just as much a right to live here as a Jewish nation as Arabs/Muslims have to do the same in Saudi Arabia. I certainly wouldn't dream of starting a practicing Jewish community there. Jews have been killed and kicked out of lots of Arab lands but jews should treat arabs differently. I hold myself to the same standards all around. No chosen people etc. Quite frankly the Arab nations, followed by the US have a lot more to answer for than anything Israel has ever done to these poor "Palestinians". God helps those that help themselves. Israel is not the "palestinians" momma. They have money dripping Arab muslim bretheren that ain't doing jack for them because of you. These political pawns are working. don't look at us look at what the Jews are doing .. and you are happy to buy it .. because you hold me to a different standard than you hold yourself.
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I was actutually going to hit my screen with anger after i saw these cartoons:

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you know what i don't understand, the us and Europe disrespect other peoples beliefs, basically saying the Islamic people of the us have a "stupid" and religion of "terrorism". all you straight up American hicks probably like this, but what if they made a cartoon as Jesus Christ gay. would you think thats "funny"? exactly. stop making fun of other religions.
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you know what i don't understand, the us and Europe disrespect other peoples beliefs, basically saying the Islamic people of the us have a "stupid" and religion of "terrorism". all you straight up American hicks probably like this, but what if they made a cartoon as Jesus Christ gay. would you think thats "funny"? exactly. stop making fun of other religions.
There is a lot that you don't understand eric.

Freedom of speech for one. Most of Europe, but especially America is known for its allowing the citizens to speak their minds. This means that morons who demean other religions are allowed to show their stupidity.

You allude to the cartoon being made to show Jesus as gay. Been there, done that. How about the Maplethorpe art exhibit? Ever hear of it?

America is great because of the way it allows people to, yes make fun of other religions. Most important to note eric... Christianity is one of the most maligned of all. Islam is just the most visible at the moment.

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Default Interesting point re: smallpox biological warfare

I'm currently reading David McCullough's 1776. It appears that during the siege of Boston (when the British were in Boston surrounded by the Continental Army), the British send out starving women and children to cross the lines and be taken care of by the Americans. However, General Howe, the commander of the British army in Boston, only picked women and children suffering from smallpox, hoping to infect the Continental Army.

Gen. Washington was smart enough to realize that and kept the Boston refugees quaranteened from his army.

Apparently, biological warfare had been practiced long before that if Gen. Washington realized the implications of what Gen. Howe was doing.

Just an interesting sidenote, but I think indicative of the European (and consequently American) mindset that using biological warfare was a commonly used technique of warfare. Makes it much more likely in my view that Americans did deliberately infect American Indians with smallpox and other contagious diseases, and sadly, the American Indians had never seen such technique before and could not recognize that they were being deliberately decimated by germs.
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