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Old 03-01-2006, 05:37 AM
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Default Iraq Civil War denied by the Bush Monkeys

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Intelligence agencies warned about growing local insurgency in late 2003
By WARREN P. STROBEL and JONATHAN S. LANDAY
Knight Ridder Newspapers
WASHINGTON - U.S. intelligence agencies repeatedly warned the White House beginning more than two years ago that the insurgency in Iraq had deep local roots, was likely to worsen and could lead to civil war, according to former senior intelligence officials who helped craft the reports.
Among the warnings, Knight Ridder has learned, was a major study, called a National Intelligence Estimate, completed in October 2003 that concluded that the insurgency was fueled by local conditions - not foreign terrorists- and drew strength from deep grievances, including the presence of U.S. troops.
The existence of the top-secret document, which was the subject of a bitter three-month debate among U.S. intelligence agencies, has not been previously disclosed to a wide public audience.
President Bush, Vice President Dick Cheney, Rumsfeld and others continued to describe the insurgency as a containable threat, posed mainly by former supporters of Saddam Hussein, criminals and non-Iraqi terrorists - even as the U.S. intelligence community was warning otherwise.
Robert Hutchings, the chairman of the National Intelligence Council from 2003 to 2005, said the October 2003 study was part of a "steady stream" of dozens of intelligence reports warning Bush and his top lieutenants that the insurgency was intensifying and expanding.
"Frankly, senior officials simply weren't ready to pay attention to analysis that didn't conform to their own optimistic scenarios," Hutchings said in a telephone interview.
The office of Director of National Intelligence John Negroponte declined Tuesday to comment for this article.
http://www.realcities.com/mld/krwashington/13984788.htm
This is the same team of cabbage sniffers who thought we'd be greeted with flowers on the streets of Baghdad, that there was no need to stop the looting, no cause to secure the hundreds of arms depots and that saying "Mission Accomplished" meant that the only remaining task at hand was to gather champagne glasses.
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Default Question for the forum

What are we going to do about this denial in the White House? Are we going to let Bush choose his successor when Cheney retires after the House Elections in November? Senator Frist is retiring from the Senate and could it be he wants to fill the candidacy for President in 2008?

I can see no other action than to remove the Conservatives in the House and fill the Congress with more progressive thinkers. It will knock the starch out of the Bush Administration and that is all I really want.

The religious right is making an all out attempt to prohibit all abortions in America and that is ridiculous because the women will return to the dirty motel rooms or their own self inflicted abortions with knitting needles. I reads this morning they also want to prohibit the morning after pill which will lead to prohibiting all birth control. This is what the Bush Administration has brought to America.

We can force the end of the Iraqi war and all this other crap if we rid the congress of the conservatives. Is this not the only way? November in only 9 months away and we need some candidates who are anti-war and pro-choice and we need them now!
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We have the Bushies, who are mostly neo-cons. Scary folks.
We have the conservative in the pocket of evangelical Christians. Equally scary.
Then we have traditional, state's rights, fiscal conservatives who really believe in limited government. They can stay. The other two need to go. I consider them enemies of freedom and a detriment to the nation.
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Default "Presence of US Troops"

As mentioned, the Presence of US troops is one of many factors causing the problems in Iraq. IMO, they are part of the problem, not part of the solution.

We can not sit in the middle and prevent a civil war, and if US troops are the only thing stopping one, then we have a big problem unless we want to occupy Iraq for decades like Israel has occupied palestine. Our "victories" we have had could also be had by the Iraqi government. For example this new "Al Qeada Deputy" that was captured and touted by the right wing was captured from a tip off. Like the Iraqi's couldn't go in and get him too.

When the US Troops leave, the Iraqi people will realize that they are in their own boat and will make it what they want, which is the only way Iraq will succeed. And if when we leave, a civil war breaks out, then we need to support the democratic government with money and weapons. If a taliban regime does somehow gain power, this is a worst case scenario and we would then need to take a couple of days and take the country back again. But having US troop presence is obviously not detering anything.
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Default Oh this is priceless...

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What are we going to do about this denial in the White House? Are we going to let Bush choose his successor when Cheney retires after the House Elections in November? Senator Frist is retiring from the Senate and could it be he wants to fill the candidacy for President in 2008?
You seem to fret about denial in the White House as if it were a novel idea. Name me the first administration that didn't practice denial in some form. Bush has every right to choose Cheney's successor if Cheney retires. Why is this such a foreign concept to you? Frist running for President? And your point is.... what?

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I can see no other action than to remove the Conservatives in the House and fill the Congress with more progressive thinkers. It will knock the starch out of the Bush Administration and that is all I really want.
This is a representative republic. Win an election and you can instigate change. That's how it's done here. Welcome to America.

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The religious right is making an all out attempt to prohibit all abortions in America and that is ridiculous because the women will return to the dirty motel rooms or their own self inflicted abortions with knitting needles. I reads this morning they also want to prohibit the morning after pill which will lead to prohibiting all birth control. This is what the Bush Administration has brought to America.
Try a little reality on for a change. Here, let me help you...

If abortion is ruled not a constitutional "right" by the supreme court by overturning Roe v. Wade, then the matter will go back to being about "States Rights." Blue states will keep it as a viable option while red states will limit it. That's far from your version of some kind of a modern day holocaust or where you allude to in "women returning to dirty motel rooms" or "knitting needles" (don't you think you're a tad maudlin about this?) Abortion will still be safe, legal, and far from a crime. Stop over reacting for pete's sake.

You remind me of Cameron Diaz on Oprah just before the election when she said, "If Bush is elected, rape will be legal!"


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We can force the end of the Iraqi war and all this other crap if we rid the congress of the conservatives. Is this not the only way? November in only 9 months away and we need some candidates who are anti-war and pro-choice and we need them now!
What? You don't know of any anti-war, pro-choice candidates?

Helloooooooo.... perhaps it's because they're not getting many votes maybe?

There's a reason why there are more conservatives than liberals in congress. It's because there are more conservative voters in the American populace than liberal. Catch a clue why don't ya'
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