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Old 03-03-2006, 10:37 AM
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Default I didn't bring the majority thing up.

You did! I never mentioned what the majority thought. You did. It seems to matter you. I rarely bring it up. I don't care. But since you were wrong I figured I would point it out. That's what I'm here for.

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And 28% is higher than any of the alternatives got.
It still means 72% didn't vote for him. Now THAT'S a majority. A fairly large one, too. You said the "majority" wanted him. 28% is not a majority of anything no matter you dice it. That makes your statement flat out incorrect. The majority didn't vote for him then and don't like the job he's doing now. Had you said more people voted for him than for the next highest guy, that would be accurate. But that still doesn't change the fact that most people think he pretty much stinks as President.
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It is my understanding Buckley was against the war from the start, along with Buchanan. Both are rather isolationist conservatives by nature. Second, massive firebombing and the killing of hundreds of thousands of civilians accounts for the relative safety in Tokyo at war's end. There weren't many Japanese still alive by the time Macarthur set up government in Tokyo. And more importantly, the US left the Japanese Emperor in place, providing the Japanese their object of worship. So long as the Japanese had their Emperor, they would not revolt.

Times are much different today, and Iraq is not Japan or Germany or Vietnam. So long as the Middle East is vital to US national interests, having Iraq run by Saddam is unacceptable. Too much of the US economy depends on the free flow of Middle East oil at market prices, and this, when combined with terrorist attacks against the US, makes the overthrow of Saddam imperative to the security of the US.

talked about in that other thread.

"There weren't many Japanese still alive by the time Macarthur set up government in Tokyo." What an idiot! There were probably 80 million Japanese alive at that time. And after 80,000 or so Japanese died in the firebombing of Tokyo, that still left millions alive in Tokyo.

I guess WWII isn't one of your strong suits. But I'm sure you are really knowledgeable about Iraq.
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Excuse me, but 2,600,000 Japanese died in WWII. That is 36.1 deaths per thousand population. The US death total was 3.6 per thousand.

Again, the massive fire bombings and killing of significant segments of civilian populations had a dramatic effect on the Japanese population, but the main difference was allowing Japan to keep their Emperor in place. So long as the Emperor was standing, if only a figurehead, there was no incentive for Japanese resistance. The Japanese swore their alligance to the Emperor alone.
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But that has nothing to due with it, to be honest the "neo" label is constantly abused by the left.
It does because the left doesnt apply it to all conservatives. I have never heard a liberal call Pat Buchanan a neo-con.

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What does Limbaugh, Elder, and Hitchens have in common? Not much but they are all called Neo-cons because they all want a powerful foreign policy. Get out of foreign issues and Hitchens would find no common ground with Limbaugh or Elder.
Even assuming that is true, it still means there is a distinction. So the labels are justified.

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Reagan was a neo-con, when it comes to foreign policy just like Bush JR. He wanted a aggressive foreign policy to stop the evil empire.
Reagan also didnt have a huge problem overthrowing democratic governments to install friendly dictatorships...to neo-cons that is anathema. Blasphemy. Neo-cons are aggressively pro-democracy.

Reagan was not a crusader in the way that modern neo-cons are.

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Fact still remains though we defeated Three of the most evil empires, Japan almost single handedly.
...using tactics we no longer can use.

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Sure I agree but neo paleo doesn't work at that its much more complicated then that.
It is like divinding animals into mammals and reptiles. A lot of reptiles are different from other reptiles, but it is still ok to label them as reptiles, because they have traits that they all share that make them very different from mammals.

And that is why labels are used. When someone is called a neo-con, it tells you something more than the fact that they are just a conservative.

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It still means 72% didn't vote for him. Now THAT'S a majority. A fairly large one, too.
A majority did not vote to get rid of him. THATS a majority too.

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You said the "majority" wanted him.
If they didnt, they would have voted him out of office.

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28% is not a majority of anything no matter you dice it.
In this case it is. I just explained why. See above.
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