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Old 04-03-2006, 02:07 PM
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Default Make our own fuel?

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Gas prices differ from station to station. I have a choice. Usually its not much difference.. a few cents here or there but its not one fixed price.
..and IF I wanted to or you wanted to we could produce our own fuel for our cars/etc.
You think our government will allow us to do this?

We are most likely to be arrested for endangering the community and treated like a terrorist.
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Saw some show on a guy making fuel for his car in his garage in a residential neighborhood. Its not illegal. People do it now.
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Old 04-03-2006, 02:39 PM
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Default Japan, Canada, China... are designing Steam/battery cars

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Saw some show on a guy making fuel for his car in his garage in a residential neighborhood. Its not illegal. People do it now.
Japan and Canada are designing Steam/Battery car and has already created some models, GM is also doing the same thing in China...

It won't be long we can all just use battery and fill up our car with water...
Those oil production country can just sit on their oil field and get fried.

Who needs gasoline in year 2015?
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Old 04-03-2006, 02:42 PM
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Default Are you sure? don't get me arrested!

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Saw some show on a guy making fuel for his car in his garage in a residential neighborhood. Its not illegal. People do it now.
What is the recipe?
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That aside, Mobil doesn't set gas prices in this country. Gas like any commodity trades on an exchange based upon supply and demand.
If energy was remotely a free market you might have a point but its not. First supply is regulated in several methods that decreases oils availablity to increase profits. OPEC limits wholesale supply and oil companies use their control of refining to further limit the supply, the later is often more important than the former in raising prices. During the hue increase in oil prices last year, OPEC was pumping more oil and there was no need for the type of jumps in gas cost that occured. Energy companies used the perception of shortage to rapidly increase prices, they also claimed falsely that refinery damage in the Gulf cut back on production when in fact the actual cut back in production was very small due to the hurricanes.

Nor is demand free. If the US was making signficant efforts to increase transit, recycling, etc there would be far less need for oil. But companies influence US politics and thus very little emphasis is given these solutions, and almost none by the two oil men who run the country now.
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Old 04-04-2006, 07:49 AM
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Default Yes! Yes ! Yes!

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That aside, Mobil doesn't set gas prices in this country. Gas like any commodity trades on an exchange based upon supply and demand.
If energy was remotely a free market you might have a point but its not. First supply is regulated in several methods that decreases oils availablity to increase profits. OPEC limits wholesale supply and oil companies use their control of refining to further limit the supply, the later is often more important than the former in raising prices. During the hue increase in oil prices last year, OPEC was pumping more oil and there was no need for the type of jumps in gas cost that occured. Energy companies used the perception of shortage to rapidly increase prices, they also claimed falsely that refinery damage in the Gulf cut back on production when in fact the actual cut back in production was very small due to the hurricanes.

Nor is demand free. If the US was making signficant efforts to increase transit, recycling, etc there would be far less need for oil. But companies influence US politics and thus very little emphasis is given these solutions, and almost none by the two oil men who run the country now.
Thank you noetsi dear, that's exactly what happened in our oil industry.
More Thanks to Bush and Cheney to add insult to injury.

Does anyone konw if the Iraqi oil field is producing these days?...I guess not, what a stupid question!
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That aside, Mobil doesn't set gas prices in this country. Gas like any commodity trades on an exchange based upon supply and demand.
If energy was remotely a free market you might have a point but its not. First supply is regulated in several methods that decreases oils availablity to increase profits. OPEC limits wholesale supply and oil companies use their control of refining to further limit the supply, the later is often more important than the former in raising prices. During the hue increase in oil prices last year, OPEC was pumping more oil and there was no need for the type of jumps in gas cost that occured. Energy companies used the perception of shortage to rapidly increase prices, they also claimed falsely that refinery damage in the Gulf cut back on production when in fact the actual cut back in production was very small due to the hurricanes.

Nor is demand free. If the US was making signficant efforts to increase transit, recycling, etc there would be far less need for oil. But companies influence US politics and thus very little emphasis is given these solutions, and almost none by the two oil men who run the country now.
First, OPEC produces only SOME of the oil and the US still gets less than half of their supply from them. So that aside, they limit production, but since they are not the only supplier they do not control it. Also, you are wrong about the threats to production. Over the past years there have been issues with Venezuela (the largest US supplier) along with increased demand on an epic scale from China and India. And as everyone knows, price is a function not of just supply, but also demand. And those two countries had a huge impact on both.

There are plenty of attempts to focus on alternative energy (such as the record US investment in fuel cells) along with solar, wind and other investments. The problem lies with the NIMBY's (ironically enough many of them "pro-environment" liberals like Ted Kennedy). These are the people who give lip service to alternatives, but as soon as a wind farm is proposed in their back yard they have a sudden change in tune.
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Default It's $2.85 per gallon today

You know, in the beginning of the Iraqi war, people are saying that we will be able to control the Iraqi Oil and stable the gasoline price once the war is over. Now the war is going on forever and the gasoline price is going up endlessly. Yes, I can afford the gas price if it ever goes up to $5.00 per gallon but what about our average poor middle class?

PS. anyone heard of the news of two cases of Birds Flu occurred in Iraq?
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How much would you charge someone if they wanted to hire you to push their vehicle for 30 miles? I'm betting it would be more than $2.85

Or let's say you want to carpool to save some cash. How many people would save $2.00 per day to be stuck in their car for an extra 30-45 minutes a day dropping their spouse off, while at the same time loseing the freedom to hop in their car and go somewhere for lunch? If gas went to $5.00 per gallon it would still be a bargain if you consider how much time you are saving. Ever rode the bus in your town to get somewhere? Where I am it takes one. solid. hour. to get anywhere. It's just not worth the savings right now, not by a longshot.

Oil is an incredibly powerful energy source. Instead of complaining to the drug-dealer (Mobile, etc.), find ways to rid yourself of the addiction. It's definitely not easy, and will take a long time for sure, but it is possible.

Oil is not an infinite resource. It will run out eventually, maybe in 100 years, no one knows for sure. But what is known, is that sometime in the very near future - could be a week, could be 10 years - that supply will no longer meet demand, and the price will go up, and go up a lot. So you might as well start right now trying to figure out how to start using much less of the stuff.

Venezuela and others could easily say 'screw you U.S. we're signing a contract with China' and you'll see the price rise substantially. There could be a terrorist strike on a pipeline, more hurricanes - whatever it is, to expect gas prices to come down is illogical. Plan for them to go up and go up steadily now and you will be ready for it. Move closer to your job. Move withing a few blocks of a bus stop and be prepared to lose 1-2 hours of time per day. Carpool with someone. Limit your shopping to one or two days a month. Ride your bike whenever possible. These are alternatives that don't involve the government. Don't expect capitalistic companies to suddenly turn into humanitarian agencies because your car costs too much to fill up.
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Default all we can do is drive thriftily?

OZEK: >>Instead of complaining to the drug-dealer (Mobile, etc.), find ways to rid yourself of the addiction.

I don't have to try to save on gasoline yet, I am only 10 minutes away from my office not like most of my co-workers living half hour to one hour away from work. They are some democratic countries in the world that the government will regulate the gasoline price since this is essential to people's daily lives. You know that every products coming to the store needs shipping and most house's energy are coming from natural gas, have you pay attention to your grocery bill and electricity bill lately?

There was a PBS video program aired not long ago on how oil company limited their refinery facilities in order to control their profits. Add insult to injury that's why we are here at $2.85 per gallon and that's why Mobil becoming the top of fortune 500.

People do adjust to their driving habits, here is a good example from
my co-worker Brandi's family:

Brandi is from a family of 5, both parents are working and she is the eldest kid in the family. 2 years ago, they have 4 cars since her young sister and brother are both in college. Her parents sharing a car. Their college tuition and car insurance has already become a burden to the family then. While gasoline price went up over $2.00 per gallon, their monthly gasoline spending jump from $300.00 to almost $450.00, now they only have 3 cars, she and her parents share one car, her brother and sister have to finish college so they keep their cars and drive thriftily.

Not every city in America has good public transportation. So to many families that is not an option. Car pooling and bicycle riding or walking are the only options. But why do middle class Americans has to suffer that much if the oil company did not add insult to injury to this matter.

Most major car companies have already spending a lot of money on other energy devices,hopefully it won't be long we don'have to rely on Oil so much. Meanwhile We need our government to allow the oil production in Alaska to at least stabilize the gasoline price for a while.

You are right, there is no use to complain to the drug-dealer (Mobile, etc.),but we can complain to our government at least pay attention to what the oil companies are doing. Meanwhile all we can do is drive thriftily.
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